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3 Hands i lost, but I think I didn't make a mistake?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: 3 Hands i lost, but I think I didn't make a mistake? Reply with quote

Hi all,

Thought I won tonights League game I still l lost 3 big hands and had a tough time. I don't think I played these hands bad, but maybe I am mistaken? Did I make a crucial mistake in any of these hands?

Hand#19875EA081000048 - Alternate Poker Buyin League T6201473 -- Table 1 -- $0/$15/$30 NL Hold'em -- 2009-09-13 - 22:17:44
Seat 2: Harr***2 ($1.575 in chips)
Seat 5: HappyFluffy ($3.380 in chips)
Seat 6: powe***6 ($1.245 in chips)
Seat 7: Beef***7 ($4.470 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: powe***8 ($965 in chips)
Seat 9: Tort***9 ($1.495 in chips)
Seat 10: Dang***10 ($1.870 in chips)
Tort***9: posts small blind 15
Dang***10: posts big blind 30
Dealt to HappyFluffy [Ad,Jd]
Harr***2: folds
HappyFluffy: raises to 90
powe***6: folds
Beef***7: calls 90
powe***8: calls 90
Tort***9: folds
Dang***10: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh,3s,7d]
HappyFluffy: bets 160
Beef***7: folds
powe***8: calls 160
*** TURN *** [Tc]
HappyFluffy: bets 300
powe***8: is all in 715.0000
HappyFluffy: calls 415
HappyFluffy: shows [Ad Jd]
powe***8: shows [6d 7h]
*** RIVER *** [6c]
***SHOW DOWN***
powe***8: wins 2.065 with Two Pairs, Sevens  and Sixes  



Hand#19875EA081000247 - Alternate Poker Buyin League T6201473 -- Table 1 -- $25/$150/$300 NL Hold'em -- 2009-09-13 - 23:45:58
Seat 1: Harr***1 ($2.845 in chips)
Seat 3: Powe***3 ($2.520 in chips)
Seat 4: 3xMi***4 ($5.040 in chips)
Seat 5: HappyFluffy ($5.939 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: Beef***7 ($1.288 in chips)
Seat 8: powe***8 ($5.940 in chips)
Seat 10: Dang***10 ($3.428 in chips)
Harry.Lime posts ante of 25
PowerRam posts ante of 25
3xMik posts ante of 25
HappyFluffy posts ante of 25
BeefAK47 posts ante of 25
powerconny posts ante of 25
DangerM0use posts ante of 25
powe***8: posts small blind 150
Dang***10: posts big blind 300
Dealt to HappyFluffy [Kc,As]
Harr***1: folds
Powe***3: folds
3xMi***4: folds
HappyFluffy: raises to 900
Beef***7: is all in 1263.0000
powe***8: folds
Dang***10: folds
HappyFluffy: calls 363
HappyFluffy: shows [Kc As]
Beef***7: shows [Jc 8c]
*** FLOP *** [6d,6c,8h]
*** TURN *** [2h]
*** RIVER *** [5s]
***SHOW DOWN***
Beef***7: wins 3.151 with Two Pairs, Eights  and Sixes  



Hand#19875EA081000258 - Alternate Poker Buyin League T6201473 -- Table 1 -- $40/$200/$400 NL Hold'em -- 2009-09-13 - 23:51:24
Seat 1: Harr***1 ($2.270 in chips)
Seat 3: Powe***3 ($6.666 in chips)
Seat 4: 3xMi***4 ($3.865 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: HappyFluffy ($6.051 in chips)
Seat 8: powe***8 ($5.895 in chips)
Seat 10: Dang***10 ($2.253 in chips)
Harry.Lime posts ante of 40
PowerRam posts ante of 40
3xMik posts ante of 40
HappyFluffy posts ante of 40
powerconny posts ante of 40
DangerM0use posts ante of 40
HappyFluffy: posts small blind 200
powe***8: posts big blind 400
Dealt to HappyFluffy [Js,9d]
Dang***10: folds
Harr***1: folds
Powe***3: folds
3xMi***4: folds
HappyFluffy: calls 200
powe***8: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc,6d,9s]
HappyFluffy: bets 400
powe***8: calls 400
*** TURN *** [3d]
HappyFluffy: bets 920
powe***8: calls 920
*** RIVER *** [5s]
HappyFluffy: bets 1.440
powe***8: calls 1.440
***SHOW DOWN***
HappyFluffy: shows [Js 9d] (Two Pairs, Jacks  and Nines  )
powe***8: shows [8h 7d] (Straight, Nine high)
powe***8: wins 6.560 with Straight, Nine high
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don`t think there`s anything wrong with how you played the first two hands. You got your money in ahead and just got drawn out on.

The third hand I might have been tempted to bet more on the turn. You`re ahead of anything but a set but the call on the flop could indicate (as it did) a drawing hand and it might be time to try and shut the hand down.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added Hand Replayers to your post Lucky to make it easier for members to review those hands.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the first two hands are fine, you were just unlucky.

The third, well, we all see things differently. You have limped in so you have neither gained nor given any information from/to big blind. You could have put on a much bigger bet on the flop.....you may have had to let it go but it may have been cheaper in the long run.  

I do not like the bet on the end when you have still not connected and he has called all your bets thus far, but of course this can be based on your feeling that he did not have it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little bit weak overall in sizebets, etc. the first hand you bet 160 into 315 pot. make it around 230-240 imo.

As of myself i do not like to limp any blindbattle situations. In the long run vs most of the players you will make a profit in youre game by raising it up 2.5xbb-3xbb in the blind battle. They will fold more often then they will call, and if they call they often miss the flop and folds there.

But as you played it i think you made a good valuebet on the river as the only hand that would make something on the river was just 87.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So my betsizes are to weak?
I guess it does make it appealing for some people to go for drawing hands when I want them out of the hand.  That can get me in some pretty tough spots.

Changing betsizes is a pretty tough thing to change, since that is such a fundamental part of the game. I'll still try and experiment a few times with bigger betsizes to get people out of the game when I don't want people going for a draw.

ty guys for the great advices. Much appreciated  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucky wrote:
So my betsizes are to weak?
I guess it does make it appealing for some people to go for drawing hands when I want them out of the hand.  That can get me in some pretty tough spots.

Changing betsizes is a pretty tough thing to change, since that is such a fundamental part of the game. I'll still try and experiment a few times with bigger betsizes to get people out of the game when I don't want people going for a draw.

ty guys for the great advices. Much appreciated  


Laagan is right, half pot is a little weak, 2/3rds to 3/4 is a fairly standard flop bet. If you get callers evaluate on the turn and bet appropriately. The turn is the street to get rid of draws or at least make them pay over the odds to see the river.

On flush boards it`s not necessarily a bad thing to bet a little smaller on the flop. Whilst you`re giving someone odds to draw to the flush, if the turn is a blank you can shut them out with a big bet on the turn. And if the flush card comes you can let it go fairly cheaply. So many players won`t lay down a flush draw on the flop but most will let it go on the turn.

The important thing is to know why you`re betting the amount you bet. Sometimes you want a call, sometimes you`re just trying to find out where you are, and sometimes you want to take it down there and then. Adjust your betting strategy accordingly but mix it up a little so that your play doesn`t become obvious because someone will pick up on it eventually.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your mistake in the first 2 hand is playing against too loose players at too low stakes but that's it.
At the last hand you raised half pots all the way, a little bit of slowplaying. It's risky, I should pushed a pot bet on the turn.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Harry to put the hands in the replayer, i see the topic before when was just posted but was too lazy to comment when see only the normal history hands  

About the hands.

hand #1
Unlucky the result but i think could be avoid.

Bet size as been mention but think that stack size is important in here too, preflop you have 2 callers, 1 with a little more stack, and the other with 4 times less your stack, so at this moment you should think that can't make shorstack see any street for cheap.

With that in mind the flop bet should be more , 2/3 or even the pot, but with other player there can be ok, but after the flop the other player fold, so you only have the shorstack left, in this moment you should crush his hopes and don't give odds to call, but you bet 300 in a pot of 635 with the other player having 700, so you bet not even half of the pot.

So you raise preflop, but in flop only bet half pot, and in turn bet less that half pot versus a shorstack, so, the other player think that you got nothing and that is why decide to push.

Yes you have the best hand and unlucky the result, but i think you could avoid that if bet more in flop, or if in turn after the other player fold you push the shorstack out, bet the 600 or even the 700 that he have, that way you show that have a hand or at least make him think if want to gamble his game with a low pair, that is different to he think have the best hand at the moment because you show weakness all the hand.

If still he call, then still you lose, but at least you do all you can.




About Hand#2
I don't see nothing wrong, you make a raise with a good hand and position, the sb decide to gamble and push, and with 2500 chips in the pot cost you 300 chips more to call with a good hand, so, in this one i don't see you could do nothing different, was just unlucky.

I talk about Hand#3 tomorrow because is late.
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