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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: Call Or Fold? Reply with quote

Blinds are $250/$500 and there is a $25 ante

You`re in the BB with Qc Jd and have $10,864

The action folds round to the SB who calls (Their starting stack is $7,975)

The flop is 10c 8c 6h

SB checks and you check behind

Turn is Ac

The SB bets $1,000

The pot is now $2,200

Call or fold?

Additional info - SB seems quite tight and has often not completed the SB. They`re not just calling with any 2, they definitely have a range.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would have to think Kc is in his hand, if he's tight like that, of course many other possibilities too, but that's my gut feeling here...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for 2bb, I probably call.  Double belly buster (which means nothing if sb has already hit flush) but the Qc flush draw is also inviting.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the options i'm folding here

You could already be drawing dead and what are your plans even if you hit the river

Just a thought here DM but was it you in the SB

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramster wrote:
Given the options i'm folding here

You could already be drawing dead and what are your plans even if you hit the river

Just a thought here DM but was it you in the SB


lol no I`m not pulling a fast one this time. But good to see I`m keeping you on your toes  

And a little extra info on the odds (calculated after the hand was over)

If SB has an ace it`s around 63/37% that I`ll win.

If SB already has a flush it`s about 88/12%

If SB has a straight it`s about 68/32%
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If SB is a tight player and ready one flush width cK, could cut calmly then POT. My opinion his cards (A7 or A9 or flush draw width cK maybe low flush)
So enough would be good for us (c)hsd9 and chsdK. POT odds not so big, but I would call this in order to see the river.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shove'em all in.  

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd probably fold here i think depending on the tournament situation.


how many players left at this point and are you on a full table ?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harry_lime wrote:
i'd probably fold here i think depending on the tournament situation.


how many players left at this point and are you on a full table ?


I can`t remember how many players were left. I`d guess at about 24-26. The table is 8 handed in this hand. It`s a hand from the Reefer affiliate game so a final table is needed to cash.

Your first statement reflects why I ended up folding this hand. Although the pot odds may dictate a call in a cash game I was looking long-term rather than short-term. Although I have over 20xbb atm when the blinds go up I`ll be pretty short. However I have a top 10 stack and that won`t change because everyone else will also get very short.

As I`m very confident of my short-stack play I felt I could find better opportunities where I was in control of the situation. For me this is a choice of chip preservation over chip accumulation. I`m not sure there is a "correct" play here. A call certainly isn`t horrible but I decided against it. This one will remain theoretical because the other player didn`t show their hand.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think many that have posted what FI has in this hand has way to high expentaions (bad spelled!). Even if it is a tight player FI more often only have a pair or just a draw in his hand.
We only has a draw in this hand and if we wanted to do something with this hand i would have bet on the flop with our 2 overcards + gutshot. If it is a tight player you get the pot often on flop, if not you have some outs to hit.

But as this situation i would probably fold and just save my chips to a pot where you have controll of the pot..
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