Tricky spot deep stack in tournament

Laagen13

For once i am very deepstacked in the middle of the tournament. We both have around 60+bb's. Have played one hand vs him before there he i think folded a big pocket vs my all in raise on the turn (556K board). PRetty solid player i think.

Best thing to do in this spot? My betsize on flop was to get him involved with more chips in the pot. on turn i thought i could check/raise him away from the pot..

How would you guys have played it?

Full Tilt Poker Game #14089958158: $3 + 0.30 Knockout (103640270), Table 77 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:15:58 ET - 2009/08/17
Seat 1: NADRASIP (12,980)
Seat 2: Laagen 13 (27,097)
Seat 3: XhamanX (23,876)
Seat 4: bman987 (11,837)
Seat 5: masterace11 (18,858)
Seat 6: tompaulrocker (20,127)
Seat 7: qpalzm2 (2,395)
Seat 8: QT1 (11,460)
Seat 9: gorchizza (6,890)
NADRASIP antes 25
Laagen 13 antes 25
XhamanX antes 25
bman987 antes 25
masterace11 antes 25
tompaulrocker antes 25
qpalzm2 antes 25
QT1 antes 25
gorchizza antes 25
qpalzm2 posts the small blind of 150
QT1 posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Laagen 13 [

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gorchizza folds
NADRASIP folds
Laagen 13 raises to 750
XhamanX folds
bman987 folds
masterace11 folds
tompaulrocker calls 750
qpalzm2 folds
QT1 folds
*** FLOP *** [

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Laagen 13 bets 1,000
tompaulrocker calls 1,000
*** TURN *** [

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Laagen 13 checks
tompaulrocker bets 600
Laagen 13 raises to 2,400
tompaulrocker has 15 seconds left to act
tompaulrocker calls 1,800
*** RIVER *** [

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Laagen 13 checks
tompaulrocker has 15 seconds left to act
tompaulrocker bets 3,300
Laagen 13 ???
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PoolDemon · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject:

well, as u wud still have over 20K in chips left, it's gotta be a crying call IMO, you certainly have the odds to call & assume he has a queen, hence the crying, I really don't think your set is still good here, so would not RR it...but neither can you fold can you ???

The flop bet & the turn check-raise was good IMO also...
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DangerMouse · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject:

As things stand you can afford to make a crying call on the river and still have a decent stack. It really depends if you have any reason to believe he`s bluffing there or is it a genuine value bet. Folding isn`t bad either. You haven`t really invested too much in the hand and as you`re deeply stacked you could afford to let it go.

If I`d been playing the hand I would have put a larger bet in on the flop. True you have a set but there are both flush and straight draws out there. I seem to be getting quite a lot of those types of boards when I`m flopping sets and recently I`ve just bet 100-125% of the pot and taken the pot there and then.

Still, you`re very deep so I can see why you take the risk.

When the king hits the turn I would have just bet out probably around 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot to find out where I was. If your pre-flop raise had been bigger it would have perhaps been easier to narrow his range down. With a 2.5xbb raise he could easily have KQ, maybe QJ or of course he could have AQ.

An alternate line would be to go into check-call mode here and keep the pot size down so you`ll have a smaller bet to call on the river (presuming you don`t fill up).

I think if you`re going to check raise there you need to make a bigger raise. If he has any kind of draw he`s still priced in to make the call. The problem you have is you`re inflating the pot and you`re out of position which is going to make your river decision tricky and even more so when the A hits.
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Know-nuffin · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject:

I would have bet to take the hand on the flop.

At that point you were in front and there are too many possible cards that may dent the confidence in your hand.

On the river, I'd have put on a block bet.
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Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject:

Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject:

I don't get why we should bet to take down the pot on the flop? We floped the nuts and don't we want some action?

For pooldemon. I don't think i can fold in this spot. if he has like 2 pair or something he may want to bluff on the pot. As many other on this buy in level people like to bluff on the wrong spots, and this can be one of them

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Know-nuffin · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject:

Miklosik · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject:

I don't think that I want to see a turn here. I love the check raise, but I'm thinking I'd probably raise him right out of the hand.

Flopping top set is sweet and always makes us greedy but it is such a huge drawing board that I don't want to leave anyone priced in on their draw.

Beyond that, I'm also not so sure that this is the spot in the tourney for the two big stacks to duke it out.
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Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject:

thanks for all that made theire thoughts here. Mostely posted this hand to see what i could have done diffrent, if i should have done anything diffrent.

The hand ended like this:

after have taken some time i decided to call the 3,300 chips.
He showed me AQoff suit for the nuts on the turn ;D
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Arjonius · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject:

Given that the 1000 flop bet is a little less than half the pot, were you trying to price him in if he happened to have a drawing hand? If he has a big combo draw, you may not get him to fold even with a much larger bet, but 1000 prices him in with just the straight draw or just the flush draw. Since it's only mid-tournament and you have a good stack, I'd lean toward pricing those hand out.

I can't say I'm keen on check-raising the turn. This seems to represent AQ, which would fit with opening the hand and then c-betting the flop. However, the opponent only put 600 more in. And what's he going to call with? The amount of your bet may not be large enough to price out a combo draw, and he has enough chips to call with a straight or flush draw since he's not badly priced out. And if he folds, he didn't have much, which means just calling the 600 was unlikely to hurt since he only had a small number of outs.

So your check raise doesn't do very much to define his hand range, and it's also possible you're the one nearly drawing dead; e.g. vs. KK

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