What do you put me on?

Laagen13 · Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: What do you put me on?

I just want to know what you put me on as i play this hand. and also what you think the other player have...

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Know-nuffin · Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject:

I put you on rum and coke pre-flop, vodka on the flop, a white wine spritzer on the turn and a steal on the river.

The other player had a slap from his mum for swearing at the screen.
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harry_lime · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:31 am Post subject:

the obvious would be something like you with a pair of kings or queens and your opponent with J 10 (no doubt suited).

...have a feeling you may have been playing around with the 9 10 hearts though.
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kesza · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject:

You liked that flop and taking some risk with a "donkbet". Or maybe you have pocket JJ and you liked that flop much better and just fooling around till the river.. One thing is sure, the other guy was beaten already on the flop I think.
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Miklosik · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject:

voganin is on a flush draw, you have pkt 7.
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Laagen13 · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject:

Just a question before i say what i had.
Many of you put me on a big hand, is that because of the riverbet or what makes it a "big hand"?
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Miklosik · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

Laagen13 · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject:

Yea i guess. I didnt put him on a 7, more like a QJ, J10 or flushdraw. maybe 88-1010 also.

preflop, standard as the table was overall tight and i could easily just fold if someone re-raises.
postflop, good board to bluff and CBet on which i did, his raise was pretty weak, a "feeler bet" so i 4bet him to hope he folded, he called quickly. (two of the reasons i was 80% that he didnt had a 7 was his quick call from my 4bet and his raise on this flop.)
Turn. He checks and i guess i could bet another time to look very strong but wasent that sure if he had the 7 or not.
River. he checks again and this looks like a hand that want to see a showdown, but nothing more. So i figured out a bet that would look like a Value bet. And of what i have read from you guys i think this was a good one.

Oh yeah, you maybe want to know my hand also...

Spoiler:

Maybe i should say to my defense that position is the key...

Why i did this thread was to see if my play in this hand looked like a big hand and made sence for others(you).
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kesza · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject:

kesza · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject:

it's interesting.

Well played overall, but my opinion is that this kind of play with cards like these preflop and on the flop is -EV on the long term, not worth the risk. You were lucky he didn't have the 7 and his reraise was a bluff also. Otherwise he call your river valuebet easily.
Risky but nice play anyway

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Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject:

Intresting thoughts, but why is this -EV in the long term? Vs a tight table you easily get pots from these players without a fight. This is a +EV play imo. As i explained the table had been tight, which makes it easier for me to just raise any2 cards in the last 3 positions. ALOT, and i mean ALOT of times the players fold preflop, if the dont, they most of the time fold postflop. As of this action he had not showed me any strength more or less. The check/minraise on a paired board i dont count as a strong play as this is just a weak feeler bet.

Maybe i am wrong but still, he makes it hard for me to not try and take this pot with his line in this hand. alot of checking which for me indicates weakness.
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kesza · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:13 am Post subject:

Yes it's depends a lot of what buyin tourney is that and how tight is the table. Maybe it's just me, but I never steal blinds without any kind of connection between my two cards. And very rarely bluffing without any chance of an upgrade until the river (yes, except on a scary board

).
There on that flop I can't see the sense of that 'raise, reraise and then a minireraise' action. But it worked.
But however I like players like Ivey, Hansen who can play with any two cards, but it's far from my style. But this is a new point of view also as your play too and that's why we can all learn from each other.

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