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Laagen13
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>10BB playSaw that i posted it in the wrong section..should be in handdiscussion..
First i think i have to explain myself of this play. On this table it had been alot of limp/fold from many of the players, don't sure if this was one of them tho, but i had less then 10bb and saw a chanse there i still had a big fold EQ.
Was it bad or what had you guys done? Didn't want to wait to long but not just throw it away like beginners do with hands like KJ in early position.
PokerStars Game #24866785839: Tournament #139358902, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2009/02/12 22:06:54 CET [2009/02/12 16:06:54 ET]
Table '139358902 38' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: M4st4Ac3AA (5617 in chips)
Seat 2: cudubaby (33051 in chips)
Seat 3: jusolip (12278 in chips)
Seat 4: DEAN-DAMARIO (26111 in chips)
Seat 5: cdrusso (27949 in chips)
Seat 6: niczypus (35260 in chips)
Seat 7: Laagen13 (10665 in chips)
Seat 8: PCLORD (54052 in chips)
Seat 9: BillsPony24 (12480 in chips)
M4st4Ac3AA: posts the ante 100
cudubaby: posts the ante 100
jusolip: posts the ante 100
DEAN-DAMARIO: posts the ante 100
cdrusso: posts the ante 100
niczypus: posts the ante 100
Laagen13: posts the ante 100
PCLORD: posts the ante 100
BillsPony24: posts the ante 100
BillsPony24: posts small blind 500
M4st4Ac3AA: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Laagen13 [4s Ts]
cudubaby: folds
jusolip: folds
DEAN-DAMARIO: folds
cdrusso: folds
niczypus: calls 1000
Laagen13: raises 9565 to 10565 and is all-in
PCLORD: folds
BillsPony24: folds
M4st4Ac3AA: calls 4517 and is all-in
niczypus: calls 9565
*** FLOP *** [Tc As Th]
*** TURN *** [Tc As Th] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Tc As Th Td] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
niczypus: shows [5h 5s] (a full house, Tens full of Fives)
Laagen13: shows [4s Ts] (four of a kind, Tens)
Laagen13 collected 10096 from side pot
M4st4Ac3AA: shows [Ah 3c] (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
Laagen13 collected 17951 from main pot
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Know-nuffin
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Re: >10BB play | Laagen13 wrote: | | Saw that i posted it in the wrong section..should be in handdiscussion.. |
I'll move it to the right room for you.
It's not a move I would think of making, (I'd prefer them connected to do that) but I guess when the cards were turned over both the others would have been happy with their lot.
Sometimes it goes for you.
I guess this was a MTT; had the bubble burst.
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PoolDemon
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Well done with hitting quads, but as you just went through the blinds, there was still plenty of time to wait for a hand that has a realistic chance of winning if called.
even if the bubble hasn't burst, you would have expected the BB to be calling all in, at that stage, he barely has fold equity left for the next hand if he folds, and with him haveing 25% of his stack in the pot.
The other player was quite large stacked, I would have expected him to fold, unless you've been caught playing weaker hands, then it's an insta call.
Glad it worked for you...
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Miklosik
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damn, that's a ballzy push. Never in a million years would I have thought of playing it like that. Unless KN and mura were at the table. 
Is your middle name jono?
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Laagen13
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The bubble was burst. but i think that isen't the most important you think of in this situation...
If i wait and find a better hand then the 104s (which i probably will), i will get more and more players after me to act, and if i find etc. K10off, I will more likely be dominated or have some cards stuck for a str8 and so on.
Many players fold the bb with a short stack even if they allmost have to call, just because they are beginners and don't want to lose. But maybe a bad decision just becuase of the BB's stacksize..but if the BB had a larger stack, is it a good one then?
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PoolDemon
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| Laagen13 wrote: | The bubble was burst. but i think that isen't the most important you think of in this situation...
If i wait and find a better hand then the 104s (which i probably will), i will get more and more players after me to act, and if i find etc. K10off, I will more likely be dominated or have some cards stuck for a str8 and so on.
Many players fold the bb with a short stack even if they allmost have to call, just because they are beginners and don't want to lose. But maybe a bad decision just becuase of the BB's stacksize..but if the BB had a larger stack, is it a good one then?
patience is the key, you could go around the table almost a full 2 turns and still have fold equity, with your chipstack. So then the question becomes what hands to play, & who to play them againt.
If the BB was the same size as you holding A3, he should have folded, if he folds, the limper is likely to fold as well, imo...then it's a much better play then...
Personally, I would never make that play with those cards (not dishing your play, only my opinion) if I choose to go all in, in that position, I have a more playable hand such as 10-9 suited, almost any pocket pair, almost any suited ace etc...as I would have expected the BB to call, & the limper too (course I have no info on how they were playing either)
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Know-nuffin
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| Laagen13 wrote: | | The bubble was burst. but i think that isen't the most important you think of in this situation... |
No it's not that important; I was more wondering if it was bubble play where a shove can pick up a few hands from players tightening up for the cash.
| Quote: | | If i wait and find a better hand then the 104s (which i probably will), i will get more and more players after me to act.... |
Absolutely correct, but it isn't compulsory to push at 10xbb. With one eye on the 'next level clock' you could maybe have let the button pass again.
Just fortunate that you were using the Muratore software. 
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DangerMouse
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I`ve become quite a fan of pushing weaker holdings from late position when shortstacked to pick up the blinds. In this case though with the BB being so short I would probably have waited to try and find something a little better to push with. The BB has so few chips his calling range is probably quite light and if he calls you have to worry about the limper also calling. 10-4 in a 3 way hand isn`t usually a great position to be in.
I like the play, just not in that situation.
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Laagen13
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Thanks guys!
Would of picked a better spot just because of the BB's stacksize...
and maybe should have taken a better hand also, but need to take in the other things to make this decision...as KN says "next level clock" is one of them, stacksizes and so on...
I am a little of a positiondonkey sometimes  as the guy in the bb pointed of for me after i busted him..
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Know-nuffin
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| Laagen13 wrote: | | ...I am a little of a positiondonkey sometimes as the guy in the bb pointed of for me after i busted him.. |
It's not a bad thing to be; position = power, although once all the chips are in the middle it's in the lap of the poker gods.
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Miklosik
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| Know-nuffin wrote: | | Laagen13 wrote: | | ...I am a little of a positiondonkey sometimes as the guy in the bb pointed of for me after i busted him.. |
It's not a bad thing to be; position = power, although once all the chips are in the middle it's in the lap of the poker gods.
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you sure have a one track mind
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PoolDemon
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| Miklosik wrote: | | Know-nuffin wrote: | | Laagen13 wrote: | | ...I am a little of a positiondonkey sometimes as the guy in the bb pointed of for me after i busted him.. |
It's not a bad thing to be; position = power, although once all the chips are in the middle it's in the lap of the poker gods.
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you sure have a one track mind
now, now, give the man credit, he only said lap, not dance
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Know-nuffin
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 Ahem... I'm not obsessed with lap dancers :smt087
...all the while there are so many pole dancers about. 
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