JR
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All-in or SitoutIn our APF Buy-in League Game 4 - 22.02.09, one of the folks on my table was having connection problems and decided to go all-in everyhand. This players announced to the table that they had "had enough" and started going all-in every hand much to the dismay of the other players at the table. Unfortunately, one of the players was knockout on a bad beat to this player. I was fortunate enough to double up while eliminating the player and used the chips to make the cash.
I personally think it stinks for the remaining players but from the "had enough" players side, if they doubled once or twice they could then sitout and maybe cash. After all, they put down their money and should have a chance to make it back.
Just wondering what others think of this of the all-in vs. the sitout strategy?
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PoolDemon
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if you can't play, for connection issues, or you have to leave, sit out, IMO, as otherwise, you do ruin the game for the rest that are there to play.
I've seen that tactic used by players that have no intention of leaving, they do it simply to chip up to get to the cash, a very weak play, and I hope this wasn't the case with this player, as he was told by more than 1 player to simply sit out instead of going all in like that every hand.
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RenoPoker
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Ultimately of course everybody who buys chips can use them in any bet he wants.
That being said it is unsporting and can ruin the game for others. I always approach hands very carefully when this play is happening and on average if you wait for a good hand you can take him down.
If someone really has a connection problem maybe their time would be better spend reconnecting or updating their flash and graphic files.
Sit out till you fix them, then get back in the tourney. Call the poker room support number, they want to help!
If things don't improve move out of Romania or where ever... LOL
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addam00
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well if that happen to me... I usally just try vto fix and play once my connection is back or I will just sitout and get blinded out
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SoSoft
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It is true, that this kind of tactic is used by some slick players who really have no interest in sportsmanship. (I'm not saying this was the case here) --- and some people may think that a $2 or $3 buy in is the same as nothing .... so they may not care.
I really do like to play poker with good players who have some interest in playing a good game of poker, are considerate of the other players, etc. ----
I feel that if you can't play ..... then don't play (sit out).
And if you have to leave ......... then LEAVE! -----------
BUT IF ALL ELSE FAILS --- as RenoPoker said, bide your time, wait for good cards ..... and TAKE THEM OUT!
or ..... just wait until they put themselves out!
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MrBadBeat
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OK, I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but as someone who has been dogged by connection problems of late I can understand a player acting in this way out of frustration.
Maybe the thinking is 'If I can't play this game properly because of my poor connection I may as well dump all my chips in the middle and see what happens'.
Maybe there is also an element of going on tilt about the whole thing. The frustration boils up and you do something rash which seems unsporting to everyone else at the table.
Again, I'm not saying it's right but it is understandable on occasions when the technology side of online poker is going against you.
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Know-nuffin
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| RenoPoker wrote: | | Ultimately of course everybody who buys chips can use them in any bet he wants. |
I remember you using a similar quote before Reno, (I forget the reason why).
While I agree with the premise for regular games; part of the focus from when the forum began, (as MLP) was as place where players can improve their poker skills, developing an understanding of their play style. That can't happen if all the while someone plays for luck.
I didn't see the game so can't comment on the play, but let's hope it was a one off both for the frustrated player and the remaining table.
A little aside. I had a similar disconnection problem last year on merge; in the last three of a MLP league game. I remember Brian Wills had raised my bb for the nth time and I could only watch as my pocket AA were folded. :smt087
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HOUSECATS
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I think it is poor play imo. Our forum games are for learning not all-in or nothing. Part of the game to learn is control if you have connection problems try and get them fixed learn control not frustration. Don't ruin it for everyone else.
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pitterte
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PoolDemon
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I'm thinking of playing the unibet buy in game from work tomorrow, 2 things that go with that, an intermitent interent connection (and haveing to deal with work)
If I play it, when I can't actually play, I'll be sitting out, if I time out it's my connection, either way, I won't be "all in" at any time unless it's to play a real hand.
So the question is, should I play it at all, if I know there could be problems ?
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muratore
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| HOUSECATS wrote: | | I think it is poor play imo. Our forum games are for learning not all-in or nothing. Part of the game to learn is control if you have connection problems try and get them fixed learn control not frustration. Don't ruin it for everyone else. |
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jk_ky
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IMO if you are having trouble or just had enough , and dont want to play any more the right thing to do would be just sit out. If you keep going allin your just ruining the game for everyone else.
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SoSoft
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| Know-nuffin wrote: | | RenoPoker wrote: | | Ultimately of course everybody who buys chips can use them in any bet he wants. |
I remember you using a similar quote before Reno, (I forget the reason why).
While I agree with the premise for regular games; part of the focus from when the forum began, (as MLP) was as place where players can improve their poker skills, developing an understanding of their play style. That can't happen if all the while someone plays for luck.
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I think RenoPoker brings this up because it is a reality of poker. If one puts up one's money on the table, then one has the right to play their cards in any manner. BUT, as a forum game, this could be considered acceptable or unacceptable rather than right or wrong.
And while no one really likes it when people play like this, it can also be said that it is something one will have to deal with once in awhile, so it can also be a learning experience/opportunity.
I tried to think of a time when I would consider this truly understandable in a real life poker tournament. --- How about this scenario?:
| Quote: | | You have worked hard to make enough money to buy into the WSOP. You've made reservations, flown a long way, and put up your $10,000. ---- The tourney starts at 9am and is expected to go on for several days. ----- at 10am you get a phone call that you are going to be arrested at NOON and you will not be able to get out of jail for at least a week and no one else can play your cards. --------- Now.... HOW DO YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS??? |
WELL, it's just a thought. LOL
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wooo
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you play them very aggrestive and hope to get enoff chips so when you come out of jail you can pick up your winnings
other wise your time in lail will suck even more knowing your buyin was waisted
and if you get your chips up or even lose them all you will have something to giggle about
or maybe just dont tell the cops where you are and play normanly lol
BY THE WAY WHAT DID YOU DO LOL
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Know-nuffin
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| Quote: | | You have worked hard to make enough money to buy into the WSOP. You've made reservations, flown a long way, and put up your $10,000. ---- The tourney starts at 9am and is expected to go on for several days. ----- at 10am you get a phone call that you are going to be arrested at NOON and you will not be able to get out of jail for at least a week and no one else can play your cards. --------- Now.... HOW DO YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS??? |
You handcuff your left arm to Mike Matusow and your right arm to Tony G, then shout, "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough."
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jk_ky
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I dont think it matters , If you sitout your going to lose your chips , and if you go allin over and over and manage to build a nice stack , your still going to jail and your going to get blinded out ..The only hope you have is you have enough chips to make the money and its enough for your bail.
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RenoPoker
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The reason I bring up "Ultimately if you buy your chips you can play them how you want", is because I always keep that in mind in all poker games.
I think it makes the bad beats a little easier to take, because the person making the "bad" or "wrong" bet is not breaking any poker rules. Bad play is still legal play, and I like to keep that in the back of my head to reduce the frustration of bad beats.
"Poker hurts" is a famous poker quote. Poker can be very frustrating, but the way to win is to take the bad beats and keep you head level. One bad bet made when on tilt can undo the 30 good plays you have made in a tourney.
I do find the level of play in most forum games is much better than the public tourneys. So thanks to all you forum leaders for giving us good tourneys to play.
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Miklosik
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I'm sure we've all experienced connection problems at one time or another. And while it's true that you may spend your chips any way you want, why deprive others from playing just because you are having trouble? Please, sit out.
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luvweed
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| RenoPoker wrote: | Ultimately of course everybody who buys chips can use them in any bet he wants.
That being said it is unsporting and can ruin the game for others. I always approach hands very carefully when this play is happening and on average if you wait for a good hand you can take him down.
If someone really has a connection problem maybe their time would be better spend reconnecting or updating their flash and graphic files.
Sit out till you fix them, then get back in the tourney. Call the poker room support number, they want to help!
If things don't improve move out of Romania or where ever... LOL |
I aggree with this and believe this was the best response to this thread.
You will see the all in move in alot of freeroll's....patiance is the key ,but if you go in with them be prepaired to be out...even 72 off can beat aces.
as far as a BUY IN league game ..I would just sit out...n try to fix pc issues.
this happened to me last sunday in OFC buy in..I had some chances to play or all in on a few reconnects , but that isnt a respectable move in my eyes.....the all in or sit out that is...sit n is my choice
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