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DangerMouse
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Bad Play? APF $2K Sat HandThis is a hand from todays APF $2K Sat.
We`re down to 5 players blinds 75/150
LarrDawg is SB with $2,281
Pool is the BB with $4,240
HOUSECATS is UTG with $1,835
I`m UTG+1/Cutoff with $1,210
BabySoft is the button with $2,669
HC folds
I push all-in with 6c 7c
BabySoft folds
Larr folds
Pool calls with AA
Board 8c Ts 6d Jd 8d
So after the hand is over Larr comments that it was a bad play on my behalf. I`m fine with that, I have no problem with a little criticism of my game. I don`t agree with his assessment  but it`s nice to hear an opinion voiced.
Anyway I said I`d post the hand and hopefully get some discussion going.
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PoolDemon
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fyi Neil, I replied in the chat box that it wasn't, you knew if it got to me or HC, more than likely we fold.
As for the hand itself, you have less than 10 BB's with only 5 players left, it's a semi bluff but playable hand, & suited connectors at that stage could be the best hand, at least you had fold equity left, only a pretty good hand is calling you there.
ace rag is a worse hand to push with, if you run into a pocket pair better than your kicker, you are less than 30% to win with it, so my vote is good play under the circumstances...
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Miklosik
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great hand to crack bullets with, for sure. And Pool with chip lead and AA in the bb. wowzers.
I fold here, but you already knew that. And I fold to you when you're playing it.
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Ramster
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How long left before the blinds were going up
If they are going up before it gets to me this is an insta-push
Sometimes in that situation it does make a difference on how i play there but with your chips its one of those 50/50 decisions just unlucky you ran into a monster
i probly do the same here
I would rather have these cards in that situation than a weak A
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PoolDemon
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| Ramster wrote: | How long left before the blinds were going up
If they are going up before it gets to me this is an insta-push
the blinds were going up in a few minutes too...
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Ramster
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| PoolDemon wrote: | fyi Neil, I replied in the chat box that it wasn't, you knew if it got to me or HC, more than likely we fold.
As for the hand itself, you have less than 10 BB's with only 5 players left, it's a semi bluff but playable hand, & suited connectors at that stage could be the best hand, at least you had fold equity left, only a pretty good hand is calling you there.
ace rag is a worse hand to push with, if you run into a pocket pair better than your kicker, you are less than 30% to win with it, so my vote is good play under the circumstances... |
You had the big stack and in the BB
What would be your range for calling here
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harry_lime
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i don't really like this play myself although i've done the same myself on ocassion.
if no one calls, you stand to gain very little as the blinds would only give 225 which doesn't really change your situation. if you do get called you will almost certainly be way behind hoping to get lucky.
you are in an early position which at least means you will only get called with a really decent hand but i would still take the chance of waiting and even letting the blinds go through me, as all i am interested in here is doubling up within the next 7 or 8 hands if i'm to be back in with a chance of winning the game.
having said that, it would make a huge difference if the blinds were about to go up as ram has said. i agree on the Ace rag point too although i would be more tempted to push with that 5 handed.
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PoolDemon
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| Ramster wrote: | | PoolDemon wrote: | fyi Neil, I replied in the chat box that it wasn't, you knew if it got to me or HC, more than likely we fold.
As for the hand itself, you have less than 10 BB's with only 5 players left, it's a semi bluff but playable hand, & suited connectors at that stage could be the best hand, at least you had fold equity left, only a pretty good hand is calling you there.
ace rag is a worse hand to push with, if you run into a pocket pair better than your kicker, you are less than 30% to win with it, so my vote is good play under the circumstances... |
You had the big stack and in the BB
What would be your range for calling here
to be honest, it was a large enough raise compared to only the 150 BB, that I probabley would only be playing a top 10 hand, although, to be honest, 10-9 suited or better (not in the top 10 obv...) would be a hard fold as I pretty much know what any good player would push with at that stage...& that would be a large variety of hands...
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DangerMouse
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| harry_lime wrote: | i don't really like this play myself although i've done the same myself on ocassion.
if no one calls, you stand to gain very little as the blinds would only give 225 which doesn't really change your situation. if you do get called you will almost certainly be way behind hoping to get lucky. . |
Well the first thing is obviously I`m not looking for a call. I felt I had enough fold equity to make most of the players lay down unless they had a pretty strong hand. Even if I run into AK I`m about 40-42% to win the hand the only thing I don`t want to run into is a PP >7
| harry_lime wrote: | | you are in an early position which at least means you will only get called with a really decent hand but i would still take the chance of waiting and even letting the blinds go through me, as all i am interested in here is doubling up within the next 7 or 8 hands if i'm to be back in with a chance of winning the game. |
If I leave the blinds to go through me I`ll have somewhere between 5-6 BB left to push with giving me considerably less fold equity and making it more likely I`ll end up in a race. And it`s not really EP. I`m in the cutoff although the table is SH.
In a regular buy-in I might choose to wait but this is a winner takes all sat and with the size of my chipstack compared to the leader I need to accumulate chips. I felt I needed to at least take the blinds to stand a chance of recovering. As it turned out I ran into a monster hand but even so I was far from dead on the flop, I just couldn`t catch the other card I needed to snap the aces.
| harry_lime wrote: | | having said that, it would make a huge difference if the blinds were about to go up as ram has said. i agree on the Ace rag point too although i would be more tempted to push with that 5 handed. |
I really dislike pushing A*. I will do it if necessary but if you run into a bigger ace you`re about a 30/70 dog. I`m happier taking this kind of shot where I know unless I run into a bigger PP I`m going to be at least 40% with my 2 live cards.
The other consideration in this hand was those were the best cards I`d seen in quite a few hands. The 3 hands before this were 9,2o 5,2o and 5,7o and I hadn`t played a hand for quite some time (again back to fold equity)
It was a case of either probably blinding out or making a move where at least my fate was in my own hands. I felt Rob could and would lay down some marginal calling hands because we know each others play pretty well from our time on the Bullies.[/quote]
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KITYKATS
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I don't like the play. To many people behind of me to push with 67s. I need to at least AJ AQ AK or pp to push out of position like that.
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DangerMouse
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| KITYKATS wrote: | | I don't like the play. To many people behind of me to push with 67s. I need to at least AJ AQ AK or pp to push out of position like that. |
Well as I said Im not really out of position. Although I`m 2nd to act I`m actually in the cutoff. If this were a 9-10 handed table it`s highly unlikely I`d try this play but 5 handed I only get a couple of chances to take an aggressive stance.
Look at it like this - the first players to act in any hand are UTG, UTG+1 and UTG+3. They`re also the hijack, the cutoff and the button.
So where can I attempt a steal? I have 3 shots except for the blinds where I am relying on no-one else raising before I act. Even if I push from the button I have 2 people (50% of the other players) to possibly call.
I`d have loved a hand like AJ to raise with but the fact is the 6c 7c was the best hand I`d seen in a situation where I was first to act and wouldn`t simply be calling.
If I remember correctly I could have made a call for most/all of my chips with KJo a few hands earlier. I`m curious how many people would rather make that call than take a shot at the blinds?
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PoolDemon
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I have always been of the mind, to be the first to raise a pot in your situation, calling with KJ (I assume it was a raised pot) I feel you "should" be dominated there, so good fold there.
Holding less than 10 BB's as the AIOF mode sets in, suited connectors is a good hand to push with, but typically higher connectors are reccomended...10-9 really should be the minimum low hand to push with statistically speaking, (like wholey poop I'm typing too much on less than 1 coffee this morning...)
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Ramster
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I read somewhere that if you are folding hands like KJ off every time in a situation like that you are giving up a lot of EV especially if the first to enter is shorter or similarly stacked than you, a call from you, invites bigger stacks in the blinds to get involved with lesser holdings which you might be dominating due to the pot odds being offered
But i agree with Rob here i would sooner be leading out rather than calling
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Linfirmier62
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67 suited is a little light for push all in.
you could have a hand wait a little stronger.
Sorry for my english.
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