bad push?

schellbell21 · bad push?

In a $2 rebuy on Bodog. Top 11 of 72 with 9 getting paid.

I am small blind with about 5800 chips (in 10th or 11th place). big blind next to me has about 10,000 chips. Blinds are 400/800.

I am dealt K 9 suited and everyone folds at the table so it's just me and the pending big blind player.

I have been told lately that I need to play more aggressive when we get close to the money so what do I do? I push all in!

Big Blind with 10,000 chips calls my all in and shows Q 10. He flops a queen and its over from there.

I realize I could have possibly seen the flop for only half my chip stack (i know big blind was raising no matter what he had potentially even all in) but I wanted to beat him to the pot and possibly get a fold. Obviously it didnt work, but does anyone have any advice?

Thanks

Know-nuffin · Re: bad push?

I did vote for a bad all-n, not because K-9 suited is a bad all in (the Q10 call was worse), but because they are not dominating cards, you didn't want the call and they lost. (the game is so easy for me in hindsight)

I guess with 11 left you were on a 5/6 seat table, so hands like K9s increase in value but not by that much. I think it was all-in or fold with your stack size, but maybe you could have waited for any ace or even a pocket pair.

... oh I dunno maybe I would have done the same, it isn't the worst move ever made, but i think with the two options for voting it isn't a great move.

It is good advise to be more aggresive near to the money and I have many times played AIOF poker in such circumstances, but I always have AA or KK when I do push all in.

Mad4Cards

I like the push. You have less than 10 big blinds and some more chips about to be eaten up. Both you and the BB are close to the bubble so most sane players woulda folded Q 10 there. 1 win is worth 10 cashes and you gotta take your chances when they arrive. That was a low risk spot for you to steal some chips and you were unfortunate to be outdrawn imo. You can't wait for AA or KK with blinds that big and such a low stack. Just before the bubble is the perfect time to pull a move and stay alive. You just got unlucky.

Laagen13

I voted for a good push.
K9s is a better then avarage hand and what should you do, call? no that would'nt be any good. Raise/Fold? No that would'nt be good either. So with a push directly you make the decision on the other player.

Dunno if you need to have some good reads in this hand, but if you knew he is tight it is allways easier to push, cause then you will often get a fold from him. But if he is loose, like in this case there is allways a bigger chanse of him calling youre all in. Still you got in as favourite and if he had called with a A-rag you would be a 45-55 dog.

This was from my view a good push, just that you got unlucky with getting called by a loose goose.

Cheers!

Marcus

PoolDemon

I voted bad push for several reasons :

you have 5800 chips left in the SB so several turns to go to get a better hand, it's almost final table which also give more time to get a better hand in position You raised into someone that you said was loose from your description & must expect a call, unless holding utter garbage (mind you Q10 at that point is garbage)

If you expect a call, K9 suited is better than average HU, but you have several hands after that you can push the action where the villian has no chips in the pot, & woud be more likely not to play a hand unless holding a real one, so more likely to pick up 1200 chips instead of 800 if he folded to you.

I would have voted good push if you had a tight player there, then they would most likely fold unless holding a real hand, it's the type of player your playing into that's as important as position, cards etc...

not a bad play though, if playing that hand there t was the only way to play it. I never like playing into a loose player with out an ace or made hand though...

Laagen13

Ramster

I voted bad here
if hes gonna fold a smaller raise woulda done the same job
I think it is a good hand to try and get a result with but i think here you gotta try and get him to commit some more chips to the pot before you push

PoolDemon

Brian Wills · Re: bad push?

It wasn't a really bad play, lets face it if your hand holds up this thread doesn't happen

But in a way its good because its a nice subject

KNOWHEN2

I think u were playing the online gamble.

U had plenty of playing time left, did u check to see where other stacks were in relation to u on other tables.
If u call and he pushes then FOLD the K9 and wait for a true hand, u still have $5,400 and even after a full turn around to the bb again u still have about $4,800.
Getting excited over a paint (card) is ok for jeronimo or chrazy horse

at the little big horn they love paint (war paint

) not the poker table.

But congrats on getting to the top 11 well done.

PS its not aggressive play, its well timed aggression

Arjonius

I didn't vote because the push doesn't seem particularly good or bad. The specifics of the situation could sit it somewhat in either direction, but probably not enought to where it's either horrid or great.

schellbell21

thanks for the tips. I was playing for a top 5 and not 8th or 9th. Either way great advice! I definitely learned a thing or two! MLP is the best! (now MLP just needs more on bodog!)

Laagen13

Just me that thinks Call/Fold is very bad in this hand? you will lose 400 more.
But really, you push all in with a hand above avg. and get beaten by a weaker one. You get called by a worse hand and was near to double up.
I dont really play for getting just to the FT, so isent this an obv. push? If you get called, wouldnt it be great to get called by in this case Q10?

PoolDemon

Mad4Cards

I'm with laagen on this one. He made a good push with the best hand but got unlucky. I never play to cash though so I can't really see it from any other perspective I guess. The BB isn't a big stack with 10k he's just bigger. It was a ridiculous call for more than half his stack but he got lucky. You cannot wait around as short stack unless you are waiting for 10th spot and in the long run the push pays better.

Brian Wills

Laagen13

Miklosik

If the sb raises 4x bb (3200 + 400 for his blind), that leaves him with 2200 chips. I'm not sure that it makes much difference then if he goes all in instead. It still looks like a steal. He would still have chips if a better hand came along but even if he doubled up he's behind his original starting point. Plus, we don't know the rest of the cards on the board. We know there was a Q but is there another card to add to a potential str8 for him? What were the suits? Did he have a flush draw? My point is this: there may have been cards out there that would have kept him in the hand even if he hadn't gone all in preflop.

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