harry_lime
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Bonanza - Call or Fold 1Bonanza - Call or Fold 1
I haven't done any of these for a while so i offer up 2 simple decisions today. In this, i know PoolDemon wasn't very happy with my play here .....so was i correct to call ?
I raise to 300 with my As Qs and Pool comes over the top, practically all-in with a $1000. There is $1450 in the pot, i have him well covered for the extra $700 and figured i was most likely going to be in a race against a pocket pair and felt it was ok to gamble here.
As it was, i was dominated so obviously Pool would have been delighted when he saw the cards ...but did i make the right decision to call ?
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Know-nuffin
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With the blind structure in this game, you gotta take your chances. 
The suited AQ is not in as bad shape vs AK off as AQ off would have been; while the call is marginal you had a finishing price. 
The re-raise was prolly the right move by pool' but I'd have been tempted to smooth call, see the flop - decide that harry didn't have a Queen - shove and swear. 
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Laagen13
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I would say that the hand was played out pretty standard. There are alot of hands pool will push there with his 10bb stack. The wrong move would be not to call imo.
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Miklosik
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I don't mind the call on the preflop reraise. you're looking at a return of a little better than 2:1 on the 700 extra chips, you have him covered and he's committed. You could fold as easy call but I have no problem with the call.
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PoolDemon
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it's all in how one plays, some don't know how to fold AQ or AJ.
You were clearly shown a bet for something that should have had you dominated, either KK or AK or AA should have been what you put me on, as I didn't put it all in (90 short, 1000 even was the RR)
then of course the miracle flop of QKQ, no miracle & you have slightly more than 10bb's left, with the blinds following right after. My point of view on those, I want at leasst 3-1 on my money before I get into a pot i think I'm behind in, not 2-1.
just curious how quick the call would have been in a 5 to 20 buck buy in ?
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Miklosik
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to be upfront, I probably would have shoved with AKo in your postition, (in fact, I know I would have) PD. That being said, to roll AKo into the same catagory of hand as AA or KK isn't proper, imo. To me it holds the same value as TT or JJ.
The very reason you think H should have folded (blinds coming up and all) is the exact same reason that I don't mind the call.
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harry_lime
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in a similar situation, i would have made the same call freeroll or buyin. that was why i was curious what others thought about it. it's always just about an instant call but i would agree, a marginal one.
a lot of it was to do with the relative chip sizes and actually i think it's easy to put you on a lot more hands than the ones you suggest.
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Laagen13
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as Harry pointed out good. there are alot more hands harry can put you on then the AA, KK, AK. If you did that push vs me i would put you on 88+ AQs+..
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PoolDemon
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| Miklosik wrote: | to be upfront, I probably would have shoved with AKo in your postition, (in fact, I know I would have) PD.
I raised to 1000, instead of 1090 all in to show I had a great hand, see bottom comment for reasoning
That being said, to roll AKo into the same catagory of hand as AA or KK isn't proper, imo. To me it holds the same value as TT or JJ.
statistically, any pockets are ahead obviously, but AK is in the top 10 starting hands, JJ & 1010 are not, therfore, certainly not the same value IMO...
The very reason you think H should have folded (blinds coming up and all) is the exact same reason that I don't mind the call.
it's only a discussion on what we all think is good or bad, there is also a history between me & H in me raising him & almost always haveing the better hand, figured I would get a fold back, or a call & be ahead as I was, AK vs AQ is not a coin toss (ususally, LOL)
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PoolDemon
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| harry_lime wrote: | in a similar situation, i would have made the same call freeroll or buyin. that was why i was curious what others thought about it. it's always just about an instant call but i would agree, a marginal one.
well, marginal in what you get back if you have any thougths u might be behind, good if you thought it was a race or you had a better ace...
a lot of it was to do with the relative chip sizes and actually i think it's easy to put you on a lot more hands than the ones you suggest.
good 2 know you don't think i'm that tight, muhahahahaha
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Know-nuffin
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| harry_lime wrote: | | in a similar situation, i would have made the same call freeroll or buyin. |
Just a slight deviation to 'in a similar situation.'
I did wonder when first reading the post;
If Pool had had harry covered by say 1k and made the same size re-raise, would harry still have called.
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Laagen13
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as to the hand i have to agree with pool, a history between 2 players can have a big diffrence in this hand. Or its much easier for harry i think to decide if his hand is good or not with a good idea of his opponent.
| Know-nuffin wrote: | | harry_lime wrote: | | in a similar situation, i would have made the same call freeroll or buyin. |
Just a slight deviation to 'in a similar situation.'
I did wonder when first reading the post;
If Pool had had harry covered by say 1k and made the same size re-raise, would harry still have called. |
no. then he have to decide if his hand is good or not and push or fold his hand. he cant call 10bb of his 26bb stack with it.
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harry_lime
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| Quote: | | If Pool had had harry covered by say 1k and made the same size re-raise, would harry still have called. |
a big part of the decision to call is that i still have 1600 back if i lose the hand. naturally if pool has me covered, i'm not taking the risk.
the betting of 1000 instead of 1090 really made no difference to me either. i ruled out aces or kings as i personally would have re-raised about 400 if i had one of those hands and just $1000 back (i want to be sure i have the best chance to get all the chips in with that scenario). that's why i figured A K at worst and most likely a mid-pocket pair.
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Miklosik
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| Know-nuffin wrote: | | harry_lime wrote: | | in a similar situation, i would have made the same call freeroll or buyin. |
Just a slight deviation to 'in a similar situation.'
I did wonder when first reading the post;
If Pool had had harry covered by say 1k and made the same size re-raise, would harry still have called. |
I think if PD had H covered then PD wouldn't have made the reraise. He wouldn't have been in the postion to have to put his stack on the line for AKo so he would have simply called H's raise.
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DangerMouse
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Knowing Rob as well as I do I`m not giving him a very wide range when he`s re-raising short-stacked. AA,KK,AK are the usual suspects and perhaps QQ and maybe JJ, but not often. Note I`m not saying his pushing range is as small as that but his re-raise push range is very tight imo.
With that view laying down AQ isn`t that hard. Then again perhaps H had a different view of the range Rob makes that play in. If so with 2-1 odds and the fact H is not going broke on the hand then I can see why H called.
There`s also the factor that if you want to develop a big stack and win tournies you have to gamble a little and sometimes you`re going to get your money in bad and have to suck out to win. That`s especially true at sites that have poor blind structures.
So I think most of the time I`m folding there but I don`t think it`s a completely horrible play to call.
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HOUSECATS
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In normal tournament play where the blinds are not killers I think Harry would fold to Robs re raise. But with the blind structure that you had and Robs short stack I think Harry has to call. With normal blind structure say like 30/60 at this early stage in a tourney neither Harry nor Rob would risk there tournament life on these type of hands preflop. They would wait for a better spot to have a showdown. Sometimes the structure of the game dictates how you play not your cards.
The number 1 rule of poker I think is don't go out of a tournament early on a coin flip hand. And that is what they both had.
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