Ramster
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how do you play hereYellowstone 10/25
xRammyX Posts SB 0.10 As Ks
tabizile Posts BB 0.25
bwear Calls 0.25
Aticita Calls 0.25
alramirez Folds
The RacerX Calls 0.25
WelderDude88 Raised to 0.75
xRammyX ????
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Miklosik
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How much money do you have? How much does he have? Any more people at the table?
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Ramster
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| Miklosik wrote: | | How much money do you have? How much does he have? Any more people at the table? |
We all have around a full buy in
No-one else at table
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Miklosik
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I'd pop it to 2 bucks.
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DangerMouse
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Smoothcall and see the flop. If you hit an ace/king you might get paid off big and if you miss you can get away cheap.
Not a huge fan of 3-betting AK. Especially in this case where you`re out of position.
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PoolDemon
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I don't like the small raise there from that player, not big enough with what's in the pot, maybe he has aces or kings, which limits your hand's winning percentage big time...
However, there is too much in the pot not to at least call & see if you hit good enough to consider calling a push as this is where it's probabley going after the flop...
so when ya gonna tell us what happened with it ???
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Ramster
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| PoolDemon wrote: | I don't like the small raise there from that player, not big enough with what's in the pot, maybe he has aces or kings, which limits your hand's winning percentage big time...
However, there is too much in the pot not to at least call & see if you hit good enough to consider calling a push as this is where it's probabley going after the flop...
so when ya gonna tell us what happened with it ??? |
Just out of interest before i post any more of this hand what sort of flop do you consider being good enough to call a push other than flopping the flush
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PoolDemon
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| Ramster wrote: | | PoolDemon wrote: | I don't like the small raise there from that player, not big enough with what's in the pot, maybe he has aces or kings, which limits your hand's winning percentage big time...
However, there is too much in the pot not to at least call & see if you hit good enough to consider calling a push as this is where it's probabley going after the flop...
so when ya gonna tell us what happened with it ??? |
Just out of interest before i post any more of this hand what sort of flop do you consider being good enough to call a push other than flopping the flush
without any history of the players involved, it's easy to say push if you hit 2 spades on flop or AK, it's all a matter of guessing right, & how much you want to gamble on the hand, IMO, so if you just called, tell us the flop, hard to answer without knowing how far behind or ahead we are...or like I first said, the players involved in the hand...
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Ramster
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Well like Neil i'm not keen on raising out of position here with so many still to act after me so i just called the 0.65
Bwear221 Calls 0.50
Aticita Calls 0.50
TheRacerX Calls 0.50
Flop   
xRammyX ????
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PoolDemon
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still no history on the players, so how much cash u got @ the table, if you want to check raise on your draw, 12 outs for the flush & straight...well that's about as good a drawing hand as your going to find, plus the ace or king if it hits might be good also, so in the imortal words of ol Clint, are ya feeling lucky...nothing else to say on it as it's an out of position hand & no info provided on the players...
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DangerMouse
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Usually I`m going to check and give the original raiser a chance to bet with the intention of check-raising. (especially if he C-bets a lot)
Depending who, if anyone, bets might change my decision but in all likelihood I`d want to either get it HU or try and take it down on the flop.
A lot would depend on how I viewed the players involved. If I thought I might get paid off if I hit I might just smoothcall any raise. I might even lead out.
Without further knowledge of the players I`m checking here.
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Ramster
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| DangerMouse wrote: | Usually I`m going to check and give the original raiser a chance to bet with the intention of check-raising. (especially if he C-bets a lot)
Depending who, if anyone, bets might change my decision but in all likelihood I`d want to either get it HU or try and take it down on the flop.
A lot would depend on how I viewed the players involved. If I thought I might get paid off if I hit I might just smoothcall any raise. I might even lead out.
Without further knowledge of the players I`m checking here. |
I dont really like betting into a raiser either especially when there are still a few in the hand
xRammyX Checks
bwear221 Checks
Aticita Checks
TheRacerX Checks
WelderDude Bets $4
What do you put him on and what do you do
I didnt really have a lot of info on anyone at the table but this guy had been raising/betting quite a bit
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DangerMouse
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He could have a pretty wide range of hands anything from AQ to a set. He may just have the same hand as you AK, in which case you`re freerolling.
Whatever the case he hasn`t bet enough to get you to fold. You have a minimum of 12 outs to the nuts and maybe more if an over card is good. The only question is wether to call or raise.
If you call he might force you off on the turn if you miss. I think the correct play is probably to check-raise and make it about $12-$15 to go or you could just push (If you have around $25 there really isn`t that much difference, a re-raise pot commits you anyway).
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Ramster
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With the pot sized bet i like you Neil put him on at least AQ and like you say for what he bet there i had to have a look at the turn
If the pot had been HU i would probly be raising here but wanted to see what the others were gonna do after me
xRammyX Calls $4
bwear221 Folds
Aticita Folds
TheRacerX Folds
Turn 
With this card i'm putting all my money in
Do i get it in first or wait
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DangerMouse
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I think I check. The likelihood is he puts you on a similar hand to his own (if he has AQ) or he might put you on the flush draw which hasn`t materialised.
Hard for him to put you on AK here. If he`s been aggressive so far give him some more rope to hang himself with.
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Ramster
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| DangerMouse wrote: | I think I check. The likelihood is he puts you on a similar hand to his own (if he has AQ) or he might put you on the flush draw which hasn`t materialised.
Hard for him to put you on AK here. If he`s been aggressive so far give him some more rope to hang himself with. |
My thoughts exactly
(you sure it wasnt you playing this hand Neil) 
xRammyX Checks
WelderDude All in $24.17
TBH i wasnt expecting such a big bet here but for some reason (i dont know why) this move looked to me as if he was trying to buy the pot especially as he didnt have a clue what i was holding
IMO the $4 bet on the turn said he wasnt holding the straight the only hand i could put him on here now was a set
Shoulda probly folded here but with what i thought was 12 outs and as poker can be a game of doing the wrong thing at the right time i decided i was gonna go for it and called
xRammyX Calls £20.82
xRammyX Shows  
WelderDude Shows  
River 
xRammyX wins $50.96
I know after reading through this hand there were mistakes made in the way i played but i think if i had led out i probly wouldnt have got all his money in the middle
Being out of position probly helped this hand pan out the way it did
Even so i think i got lucky here
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DangerMouse
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Nice hand.
I don`t think you played it wrong at any point. The check-call on the flop is perhaps a little weak but I don`t think the hand turns out any different if you check-raise. With TPTK I`m guessing he would have come right back over the top and with 15 outs you`re actually favourite to win.
As things turned out you were able to secure the hand with the K on the turn and trap him. It`s pretty obvious he puts you on a flush draw hence the huge bet on the turn. He doesn`t want to give you any kind of odds to draw. No way could you fold there btw.
I do wonder what happens if the cards fall in a different order though ie if that 6h falls on the turn and he bets out big I don`t really see how you could call. That`s why I think the check-raise to pot commit yourself is probably the "correct" play.
I don`t think you`re scaring him off his TPTK with a check-raise. He`s at least going to call and you could probably still catch him on the turn by checking again if he doesn`t come over the top.
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