Playing the $1.10 NLH game today on pokerstars I was in around 100th from 120 left with a 20K stack. Big blind was 1600.
I picked up Queens from mid table and made it 6400 to go.
The button called and then raised my 6400 C-bet on the flop… Js Kd 9s.
I believed I was behind so folded.
My question.
Was my C-bet too strong (it left me quite short), I even wonder would a check there have been better.
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PokerStars Game #28749808026: Tournament #165726236, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No
Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2009/05/29 14:47:10 WET [2009/05/29 9:47:10 ET]
Table '165726236 179' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: AJIEKC (2500 in chips)
Seat 2: TGA350 (82499 in chips)
Seat 3: XXangXX (35465 in chips)
Seat 4: lightfly (41279 in chips)
Seat 5: Karboel (5895 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: derrote1 (61774 in chips)
Seat 7: Waldtäler (12673 in chips)
Seat 8: 20041888 (106162 in chips)
Seat 9: Know-nuffin (19605 in chips)
AJIEKC: posts the ante 150
TGA350: posts the ante 150
XXangXX: posts the ante 150
lightfly: posts the ante 150
Karboel: posts the ante 150
derrote1: posts the ante 150
Waldtäler: posts the ante 150
20041888: posts the ante 150
Know-nuffin: posts the ante 150
Karboel: posts small blind 800
derrote1: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Know-nuffin [Qd Qh]
Waldtäler: folds
20041888: folds
Know-nuffin: raises 4800 to 6400
AJIEKC: folds
TGA350: folds
XXangXX: folds
lightfly: calls 6400
Karboel: folds
derrote1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js Kd 9s]
Know-nuffin: bets 6400
lightfly: raises 6400 to 12800
Know-nuffin: folds
Uncalled bet (6400) returned to lightfly
lightfly collected 29350 from pot
lightfly: shows [Ks Ac] (a pair of Kings)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29350 | Rake 0
Board [Js Kd 9s]
Seat 1: AJIEKC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TGA350 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: XXangXX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lightfly (button) collected (29350)
Seat 5: Karboel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: derrote1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Waldtäler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 20041888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Know-nuffin folded on the Flop
6400 + 6400 (not counting re-raise) = 29350 is now in the pot, with you contributing 12,800 of that, & your left holding 8K aprox in chips & a 1600 BB, it's a crying insta-call, hope that you ran into ace rag to ace jack etc...or smaller PP...
DangerMouse
I think the size of the C-bet is pretty much right. Anywhere from 1/2 to 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot is in the normal range.
What I would question is the size of the initial raise. Once the blinds reach those kind of levels you`ll usually find that 2 1/2 to 3xbb will be just as effective and you keep the pot a little smaller meaning your c-bet can also be smaller. However, raising the amount you raised and intending to c-bet irrespective of the flop I think you might as well just push all-in. You only have 12xbb anyway. That`s not really enough for any fancy play but it does still have pretty good fold equity. Push and you either pick up the blinds and antes or you have a chance to double.
Spoiler:
Well I wrote my reply before looking at the HH. It`s pretty obvious you would have been called if you pushed and obviously he out flops you. However with a push you would have had 2 more cards to try and hit. As it turns out you would have had 6 outs on the turn and river giving you just under 25% to win the hand from that point.
Know-nuffin
DangerMouse wrote:
What I would question is the size of the initial raise.
It was a touch bigger than I would have liked to bet with queens, but I'd been on the table for about half an hour and thought it was playing quite nicely. Most pre-flop raises, especially those from early seat were being respected and I had not seen any fishy calls.
I just wonder if I had checked the flop, would I have got a free card.
