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| bigjoo |
Warning - Dynamic Gaming Systemsi just had an email saying jungle poker ok and wingows are about to go down the pan and shut up shop and bjo tooapparently all the ppl in charge have left i was told to draw any money out str8 away didnt like these sites much anyway 
you were told here first
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| harry_lime |
i can't confirm or deny this but it is fair to say that cashing is taking longer and longer at Jungle and their player numbers simply haven't increased.
a shame because i always liked the software. if anyone gets more news on this, we love to hear it. edit : i've moved this post into "online poker rooms" joo. 
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| bigjoo |
i recieved the email from pumped on poker
says .....dynamic gaming systems is in some deep trouble and all the top excutives have resigned or 1st out quit i have good authority(the best authority actually)that the chances are more than likely that the entire network is going down sooner than later take you money out now from any of these sites on this network jungle wingows bjo bubba okusa later today of tomorrow affilliates will recieve an email warning them about what i just told you im telling this early so you can aviod the mad rush this is the excact email word for word may be you can get to the bottom of the story big |
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| harry_lime |
thanks for that.
i'm trying our old rep at Dynamic, although it's a long time since we dealt with them. i've also asked one of the forums that have regular games at Jungle if they know anything. i'll post again if i get news. |
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| bigjoo |
nice one H
had just over 100 bucs in there just withdrew now but dont if or how long it will take to reach neteller fingers crossed big
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| harry_lime |
not too much to report on this :
the rumour has gone around all the forums and affiliates but as yet, no official news is available. supposedly DNG are well aware of what is being said and plan to make a statement very soon. as such, it's business as usual but it's probably sensible to approach any of the sites with caution right now and hold back from making deposits. ....that's it for now ! |
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| addam00 |
hiThey do have a 1 800 number in the us if you want to call them on there site.... and if you want to chat with them it says there a company chritsmass party.. maybe there using our money for that
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| addam00 |
hiOk I guess you guys can go straight to the source and find out for your slef here are the numbersGeneral Information (954) 302-3865 Toll Free Number (877) 385-7558 Toll Free Number (888) 290-319 then you guys can inform your own facts i guess.... |
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| fooraces |
Adam? how much do you have in there? 
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| addam00 |
hiNot enough to cash out yet.... havent been playing on that site in long time.....but maybe i can get my money up and cash out... |
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| harry_lime |
if you phone those numbers, all you will get is the standard balg and not necessarily find out what's going on behind the scenes unfortunately.
.....i have my ear to ground as best i can. |
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| harry_lime |
ok, i've had it confirmed that 2 major forums that hold regular games at Jungle Poker have managed to get in contact with the network owner of DGS who has strongly denied that the network will be closing. in fact they are thinking about sueing the originator of this rumour which is certainly not going help the network survive. as is it, cash outs are now going to be a nightmare whilst they sort out the problems and again, i would advise caution for depositors. ....i'm sure there will be more on this to come ! |
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| KNOWHEN2 |
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| harry_lime |
Update :
I got hold of a tech at Jungle Poker today who has told me all cash outs will be happening by the end of the first week in January. Delays due to the holidays. 
Whether or not this happens remains to be seen of course ! Good luck to those waiting. |
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| Arjonius |
The latest I've seen about this is a report that at least one site, G2G, is switching to the Merge network (Carbon, Nordica et al). While this could be just say-so, if it is true, it certainly wouldn't look like a good sign for DGN.
No matter what happens, I'm certainly not impressed with DGN's failure to communicate with players. For instance, if it's true they're slow due to the holidays, why not say so - although this doesn't seem particularly plausible since people started reporting problems before just the past couple of weeks. |
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| addam00 |
hiI went to cashier system DGS and it was not there./.. nor deposit or cashout.. push it and try it and see what happens |
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| harry_lime |
Update :
Dynamic Gaming Systems has now officially announced it's pending closure and many of their skins are now looking for new homes. Where this will leave customers is in serious doubt but if i hear anymore confirmed news i will let you know. Here's the e-mail giving the information : Dear Licensee, We regret to inform you that Dynamic Gaming Systems Corporation S.A. has become insolvent. It is unable to meet its ongoing obligations. This has resulted due to a number of reasons including: 1) the lack of players that have been signed up on the network and 2) The loss of a number of payment solution providers including most recently Epassporte. The network will remain open until Friday January 25th at noon eastern time. The cashier section has been turned off and all tournaments have been cancelled. If any licensee would like to acquire the network at no cost please respond to this email and we will contact you. We anticipate a receiver will be appointed to liquidate the assets. Staff Dynamic Gaming Systems |
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| Know-nuffin |
Damn and blast! I only just wrote to a couple of them again asking where our cash outs have gone to.
I made the requests in december! 
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| harry_lime |
Update :
This is doing the rounds at most forums and appears to be the official word on things so far. BigJuicyOdds (SBR rating D+) poker network (DGS) folds. BJO states that the provider has closed with licensee and player funds. BJO also tells SBR it will be transferring all poker balances to a new network provider, Dobrosoft. The migration of accounts is expected to take three days. Players can also request a payout or a balance credit in the BigJuicyOdds sportsbook, which is a separately operated. Players with other poker brands may be less fortunate. JunglePoker.com is owned by the Dynamic Gaming network and is not expected to settle accounts. G2Gpoker, a poker-only gaming site, has previously stiffed players as part of the Futurebet Gaming network. |
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| JR |
This is why I withdraw anytime I get over $100 on a site. Unfortunately I'm back up to $20 on OKUSA and $37 on Jungle. Hopefully someone comes to the rescue, but I'm not holding my breath. Hope no one else gets burned too badly. | ||||||
| bigjoo |
i had just over a 100 bucs on jungle just signed in now to look and it says now i have 16 cents so the funds have left but they dont seem to be on my neteller account where they should be
wonder how many ppl get stiffed on pokers sites what with nordica changing there promos half way throu and dynamic shutting up shop just show we should only invest in the major sites where funds are safe this is about the 5th time i have lost money on these mickey mouse sites only small amounts but very frustrating motto of the story stick to the major sites to deposit money i am not saying dont play the smaller sites just stick to free rolls bigi |
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| harry_lime |
you can't lump nordica in with that. it's one thing to change a promo or bonus (and this was 4 days after i announced it and due to a human error too) and quite another to withhold cashouts which has never happened on the Merge network as far as i know.
the DGS situation is a completely different thing. |
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| bigjoo |
totally agree the nordica thing is different but its just another example of how these companies do what they like and tuff luck to the rest of us another eg ...was the absolute poker scam and that was one of the major players in the poker world
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| addam00 |
hiright before the holidays DGS had a cbig chritsmas party I am pretty sure your money went there
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| harry_lime |
Update :
The inside word is that DGS are currently looking for a buyer (surprise ). It seems to be like a football club that has gone into administration and needs some kind of consortium to come in and bail out the debts before they can even think about getting up and running.
The only thing in their favour would seem to be the cool software and an established internet presence although whether this would be a reason to take on the sizeable debts, remains to be seen. Don't hold your collective breaths !!! |
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| addam00 |
hiHey pokerdream too says u can start your own online room for $1,500 dollar nd myabe MLP should buy both of them..
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| addam00 |
hiI just got some good news about this whole situation...read my next post.. |
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| addam00 |
hiI just save a bunch of money on my car insurance using geico
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| harry_lime |
Update :
G2GPoker has now officially moved and is up and running on the Merge Network (Carbon Poker, Poker.com, Poker Nordica). They have started transfering accounts and honouring cash-outs made before DGS went bust. They advise that this will take time though. Big Juicy Odds has moved to the Gold Chip Network although i don't have any info as yet on whether they will be honouring old accounts. As for DGS, there are supposedly a few potential buyers of the network and/or software although insiders are claiming that player pending cash-outs have already been wiped and it is highly unlikely, even if a take over does occur, that punters will see their money again. It seems clear now that most of the site owners have also lost money due to DGS with holding cash over a long period of time and the DGS debts are far more serious and outstanding than just the player accounts. We can only hope this is a rumour but it certainly makes sense that any new buyer will not be interested on taking on an entire networks debt. |
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| harry_lime |
Update :
Thanks to adam00 for seeing this first. San Jose, Costa Rica - Dynamic Gaming Systems (DGS) announced today that an agreement for the transfer of their network has been reached with Cintaly Holding Corporation (CHC). CHC, based out of the British Virgin Islands, anticipates having the DGS network in full operation within 72 hours of the transaction being completed. Executives of CHC stated they were excited by the opportunity to take over one of the finest poker software networks online today. Although the details of the transaction were not made public, it is our understanding CHC intends to honor all verified existing Player Balances and Licensee Agreements. CHC acknowledged the news reports that indicated that some of DGS’s Licensees may have already transitioned their player onto other networks. Although disappointed that they had left, this deal is a win-win for all current and future licensees, and players. CHC strongly emphasized that their prime objective was to get all remaining Players, Licensees back operational as fast as possible. For further information please contact protect@protectpal.com You can view the press release at the link below. DGS Press Release More : It hasn't been established yet whether all pending cash outs and player to player transfers will be paid or not although the new company have reported that all verified existing player balances will be honored. |
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| bigjoo |
that sounds like good news
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| Know-nuffin |
Yep, fingers crossed on the pending.
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| NateTrib |
Thats a sigh of relief! Crossing fingers! | ||||||
| harry_lime |
I'm going to quote something i read on another forum whilst researching this situation, please bear in mind that i cannot verify the truth of this but it does sound encouraging :
Dated : 23.01.08
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| harry_lime |
And here is a more cautionary piece which also mentions the sentiments of the post above :
ONLINE POKER NETWORK ACQUIRED But who is Cintaly Holding Corporation? Controversy has swirled around the troubled Dynamic Gaming Systems online poker network recently as rumours of its imminent demise hardened into firm information from network members that indicated a halt to payouts and non-existent communications (see previous Online-Casinos.com/InfoPowa reports) Operators on the network started to look for new homes with the reportedly fast-growing Merge Poker and Dobrosoft's Gold Chip networks, with operators complaining that they had been left in the invidious position of having to pay DGS-owed money to players out of their own pockets. This week a press release signed off by "protect@protectpal.com" from DGS in Costa Rica announced that an agreement for the 'transfer of its network' has been reached with Cintaly Holding Corporation (CHC). Protectpal is a largely Eastern European secure email hosting outfit. CHC, based out of the British Virgin Islands, but with the UK telephone number +44 800-011-2643, apparently anticipates having the DGS network back in full operation within 72 hours of the transaction being completed - a date not included in the announcement. The blurb says that unidentified 'executives of CHC' are "excited by the opportunity to take over one of the finest poker software networks online today," apparently overlooking the serious allegations levelled against the network by operators, affiliates and players in recent times. Breeding further suspicion is the lack of details on the acquisition and a paucity of information on CHC, whose website displays little hard information beyond a Tortola office address and the general advisory that the company was formed in 1999, incorporated in 2005 and is a "diversified media company involved in online business publishing and entertainment" with a group of (unidentified) companies that operate as independent profit and loss centres." Those who are owed money by DGS may take some comfort from a sentence in the release, apparently penned by someone in authority at DGS, which claims: "....it is our understanding CHC intends to honour all verified existing Player Balances and Licensee Agreements." Apparently CHC's priority is to ".....get all remaining Players and Licensees back operational as fast as possible." The new owners appear to be rather coy on who is running the company, what online poker network experience is available within it and how it intends going forward. Unnamed representatives have been posting reassurances on various online poker message boards that their intentions are honourable, but the lack of hard information strains credibility. One representative at the Jungle Poker site wrote that the withdrawals which were in progress would be reversed and credited back to the players' accounts, and that the new owners will have a limited number of deposit and withdrawal options initially but will expand this over time. Meanwhile G2G Poker has joined the exodus from DGS, joining the Merge network along with LuckyHog Poker. Other Merge poker sites include Carbon poker, Poker.com, Iron Duke Poker and Pokernordica. CHC has not yet responded to a media enquiry addressed to their email at corpaffairs@cintaly.com Taken from a piece published at Online-Casinos.com - 23.01.08 |
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| harry_lime |
Newsletter from Big Juicy Odds
Most of you have received the mail about our situation with DGS We will be covering all player balances making sure everyone gets set up with a new poker account and the exact same balance. While we are doing this as quickly as we can the time frame on this isn’t quite known. We are currently working with Dobrosoft to finish this migration as soon as we can. In the meantime if you would like to move your poker balance over to the sportsbook; Big Juicy Odds will double the balance in your poker account and transfer it to your sports account. You must open a BJO sports account to be credited! You may open a sports account here : http://196.40.69.106/ If you wish to accept this offer; please mail charlie@bigjuicyodds.com. Please remember that many will be requesting this transfer and we will get to everyone as soon as we can. You will need to mail your poker user and screen name, you will need to give your sports account. In most cases your transfer will be 12-48 hours. If you have any questions about our sportsbook or casino please mail the email above. You will have two accounts, one for poker and one for sports. We need both to transfer your funds. |
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| katymaty |
DGSJut logged into Jungle Poker and at the top of the screen there is a scrolling banner.I tried to cash out my money $250 about 21st December when rumours appeared about the trouble but kept getting delaying tactics from support and Live help about delays and would be paid next week lol. The scrolling banner says : We ask for your patience and look forward to making the DGS network the finest in the industry. IMPORTANT NETWORK NEWS.. CHC reached an agreement with DGS to acquire the DGS Network. Our teams are working to reconfirm deposits, withdrawals and balances for us to complete our proper due diligence to bring this network back online. |
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| bigjoo |
nice i had a 100 bucs in jungle
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| addam00 |
hiI am just wondering about wingows what tere gonna do? had some money on that dgs program |
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| katymaty |
Just received email from Jungle Support, maybe we will get our money back after all
Dear Poker Player, As has been recently reported, CHC reached an agreement with DGS to acquire the DGS Poker Network along with Jungle Poker. This transaction occurred in a very short period of time, and while our dedicated team at CHC has been working diligently to ensure a smooth transition, Please be patient while we complete our proper due diligence to bring the network back online to an acceptable operating level. It is our intension to maintain the Jungle Poker Name as we believe the product, the platform and the brand are solid. We are confident that given the opportunity, we will be able to earn back the loyalty and trust you once held for the previous owners. Presently our technical team is focused on reassuring the existing network is stable and secure. They want to ensure the network is coming back, stronger and bigger then ever. Finally, our accounting team is working to secure access to all necessary data to reconfirm deposits, withdrawals and balances. We look forward to being able to provide a secure and safe network for all players, making the Jungle poker site the finest in the industry. Sincerely, Jungle Poker Management |
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| harry_lime |
this is the bit that worries me a little as it kind of looks like they may be leading up to a "we couldn't find the necessary data" type statement. let's hope they are on the level ! |
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| addam00 |
hiI am not holding my breatg anythime soon |
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| harry_lime |
The page is down right now for upgrades so this information may still change. Jungle are expecting to start moving again tomorrow or Wednesday. There's a lot of restrictions here (surprise ) so best to read through the whole thing. This information is taken from the Cash Out page :
What are the restrictions on withdrawing funds from Jungle Poker? The minimum withdrawal from Jungle Poker is $50 USD (Bank Wire $500 USD) and you must have made an initial deposit in order to request a withdrawal. Withdrawal requests cannot be made until at least 7 days have passed since your last deposit was made. Please note that if you are making a withdrawal during or within 24 hours prior to the beginning of a promotion you will not receive a bonus for funds that are re-deposited during that promotional period. What are the fees associated with withdrawing funds from Jungle Poker? The withdrawal fees will be deducted from your poker account balance, not from the withdrawal amount. This applies to checks, bank wires and Cash Refund payouts. Please note you must have sufficient balance to cover withdrawal fees. PLEASE NOTE: ALL DEPOSITS MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY 21, 2008 AND ALL WINNINGS FROM THOSE DEPOSITS MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY 21, 2008 THE FOLLOWING RULES AND CONDITIONS WILL APPLY. ALL WITHDRAWLS MADE FROM WINNINGS FROM DEPOSITS MADE PRIOR TO JANUARY 21, 2008 IS CONDSIDERED RESTRICTED MONEY AND SUBJECT TO JUNGLE POKER’S REAL MONEY RULES AND REGUALATIONS. ALL WITHDRAWALS MADE WITHOUT INITIAL OPENING ACCOUNT DEPOSIT WILL NOT BE VALID AND NOT HONORED BY NEW OWNERSHIP. ALL WITHDRAWALS MADE WITHOUT INITIAL DEPOSIT MADE VIA A FINANIAL INSTUTION WILL NOT BE VALID AND NOT HONORED BY NEW OWNERSHIP. ALL WITHDRAWALS MADE FROM INITIAL DEPOSIT MADE THROUGH THIRD PERSON, PLAYER TO PLAYER TRANSFER, AND ACCOUNT-TO-ACCOUNT TRANSFER WILL NOT BE VALID AND NOT HONORED BY NEW OWNERSHIP. The minimum withdrawal from Jungle Poker is $50USD and you must have made an initial deposit in order to request a withdrawal. The maximum withdrawal is 10% of your available player balance with a maximum withdrawal limit of $500 USD Per Month. Withdrawal requests cannot be made until at least 15 business days have passed since your last withdrawal was made. All withdrawals will be processed via check method only sent regular mail. For those requests equal to or greater than $50 USD, players are required to submit a valid form of identification along with proof of a physical billing address to certify your account. Certification must be in the form of valid photo identification (with address matching your account registration) a copy of the front and back of the credit card used on your account and a recent statement (listing your current address). Identification can be faxed to 1-888-834-1768 or scanned and emailed to cashier@junglepoker.com. For faster processing, please remember to include your Jungle Poker username and Player ID. All withdrawals made via regular mail cost $10 and Checks via Express Courier are $50. Checks sent via regular mail may take up to 20 –30 business days. The Bank Wire fee is $60. The fee for withdrawing funds using Cash Refund is $25 |
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| harry_lime |
Update :
The Jungle Poker client is now up and running again. Player accounts are being re-imbursed depending on the terms and restrictions mentioned in the post above. And a quote from a News report : One representative at the Jungle Poker site wrote that the withdrawals which were in progress would be reversed and credited back to the players' accounts, and that the new owners will have a limited number of deposit and withdrawal options initially but will expand this over time. |
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| Know-nuffin |
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay I note both our Jungle accounts have been credited back and also my OKUSA.
The only oddness is that when going to the OKUSA Client it just opens as Jungle but has my OKUSA balance in there. |
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| addam00 |
hiIsee in order to withdraw now and if you money in there pror to a certain date u have to make a deposit or something like that.... but traffic is still low to make it worth my wile..I have money in there but not gonna play anything until its all finalize |
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| Know-nuffin |
While I am pleased to see our accounts have been reset I do wonder with
and what seems to be a costly way to withdraw, how many new depositors it will attract. |
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| harry_lime |
no surprise at the start but as i quoted above, more options will be made available. i imagine this will be sooner rather than later otherwise they won't have a viable poker room :
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| Know-nuffin |
Ah! Thanks Harry...
Do you know what they mean by;
My concern there is not to play and unlock the money, but whether as in the old jungle freeroll winnings system, if you do not unlock it playing cash game at a certain level per raked hand in a given time, they then remove it from your account. |
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| harry_lime |
i think it just means that what you now have in your account comes under their new rules and not the old jungle rules. i would strongly suggest to wait a couple of weeks as all of these questions are going to come up and be answered on various forums by players trying to cash out or play now. you could also check with their live support but i think they will be busy sorting stuff out right now. |
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| katymaty |
maximum withdrawal 10%.
I have approx $250 in Jungle so maximum i can withdraw is $25, It mentions something about $10 charge for cheques so that would leve me with about $15, once I take it to my bank and gets converted to UK pounds with a bank charge probably about £6. At the moment $250 is about £128 but I would have to make several withdrawal each time incurring these massive charges. But doesnt make any difference anyway as maximum is 10% and minimum withdrawal is $50, so does that mean you have to have at least $500 to make a withdrawal |
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| addam00 |
hiI am having trouble getting on the site... on all of them now again.... is anyone else have that poroble... why doenst dgs just shut down there client and merge with the merge system... |
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| harry_lime |
Re: hi
they've been up and down a bit since coming back on line. could be they are reprogramming their tournament structures and adding new deposit (and if we're really lucky) withdrawal methods. i would expect a fair bit of this for a couple of weeks. |
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| Know-nuffin |
Re: hi
We have been having connection issues since last sunday, and have been unable to get on to some sites since thursday. MLP is even running slowly for us. We have been investigating and there is an internet problem. AOL our isp now have on there phone message; "we are experiencing difficulties whereby many users are unable to access many websites" ... they are working on it.
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| HOUSECATS |
i can't log on to any of them i tryed OKUSA poker and it came up us jungle poker | ||||||
| Know-nuffin |
Yep when the group changed over recently, okusa for me was going straight to jungle, but with my okusa account. | ||||||
| katymaty |
Just managed to log into Jungle Poker, howeever when I checked if they had other withdrawal methods on the cashout link it says
SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE Jungle Poker's Cashier is down for maintenance. We ask for your patience while we are upgrading our cashier. Patience LOL dont think anyone has a choice. |
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| muratore |
i didnt have anything left on this network, but just curious how you are all doing now? things should have settled in a bit now with the new network. | ||||||
| Miklosik |
I read recently, from what I consider to be a very reliable source, that a Microgaming site is in trouble. People are getting anxious to see if Microgaming will step up and make good on players accounts. I think we are about to see if the trust we put into our preferred sites is warranted. | ||||||
| Know-nuffin |
Jungle and OKUSA have refunded our accounts to their original point.
Whenever I look to play there, the tourneys are very limited, 3 or 4 players taking part and less than 200 online, plus it shows one tourney that finished 17 days ago still has the clock running, (which make me wonder if there is anyone minding the shop). |