NLTH, ante 125, BB 1600, top 50 paid, bubble just passed, in the money.
you are the big blind, after posting ante & BB you have a bit over 5K left.
mid position raises all in aprox 6K, this player has been playing marginal hands.
late position also all in aprox 6K, more solid a player but has played weak hands.
SB has 2K aprox, solid player, also all in.
you have been extremely card dead, & with late positions that you might try & "steal" from calling stations. you have ace 5 off suit.
tell my why you should call or fold, my choice will be in the spoiler below.
Spoiler:
I play TAG, so normally this is an insta fold, however, I felt that the players in the pot were not that far ahead of me, plus I'm the SB next hand, that 4K (what I would have left if folding & paying the SB & ante) was not enough to push anyone out of a pot with a rag hand vs my push.
I chose to gamble on it & lost, was up against ace 10 off, 99, & 7-8 suited (I think) and 7-8 won the main pot with trip 7's, & 99 won the (BIG) side pot.
I feel for how the table was playing & what I would have left if I folded that I played it right, you need to win a race or two from behind, & I thought I was due...
Miklosik
without reading your spoiler - you need to make a move for sure, but not here. Maybe the hand before would have been better. Way, way, way too many people playing this one. Someone already has a better hand, someone else will catch and chances are better that it will not be you. Fold.
Ramster
I'm folding here
I dont wanna be playing a multi-way pot with that holding as i dont think there would be much chance you were in front
i know with the bubble just bursting people do tend to push marginal hands a bit more but that also tends to get you higher up the money ladder if you play a bit tighter
The stack size is a bit of a worry but i would hold fire and see what happened when i was in the SB and if there was no joy there i would be pushing with any 2 if first in and calling with any drawing combo before the blinds came around again
I'll go see what you gotta say now Rob
Ramster
Re: what would you do here
PoolDemon wrote:
NLTH, ante 125, BB 1600, top 50 paid, bubble just passed, in the money.
you are the big blind, after posting ante & BB you have a bit over 5K left.
mid position raises all in aprox 6K, this player has been playing marginal hands.
late position also all in aprox 6K, more solid a player but has played weak hands.
SB has 2K aprox, solid player, also all in.
you have been extremely card dead, & with late positions that you might try & "steal" from calling stations. you have ace 5 off suit.
tell my why you should call or fold, my choice will be in the spoiler below.
Spoiler:
I play TAG, so normally this is an insta fold, however, I felt that the players in the pot were not that far ahead of me, plus I'm the SB next hand, that 4K (what I would have left if folding & paying the SB & ante) was not enough to push anyone out of a pot with a rag hand vs my push.
I chose to gamble on it & lost, was up against ace 10 off, 99, & 7-8 suited (I think) and 7-8 won the main pot with trip 7's, & 99 won the (BIG) side pot.
I feel for how the table was playing & what I would have left if I folded that I played it right, you need to win a race or two from behind, & I thought I was due...
Are you playing this any different if you are not in the money
BlackTyson
For me it depends a little bit on the payout structure - it still is a silly call but with a suckout on your side you would get great value out of this hand
so let's say top 50 gets paid $3,50 for 41st to 50th
and then from 31st to 40th you'll get $4,50
you know what I mean ? - you won't survive long with this blinds anyways
If the payout structure is like 50 bucks and next step is 100 bucks - it's way different - for me
DangerMouse
Insta-fold for me. It`s possible you might have the best hand but in a 4 way pot you`re probably going to have to hit your ace to stand a chance, even then someone could easily have a slightly better ace. I`m reluctant to push A-rag even when shortstacked and calling with it is usually a no-no.
The best you can hope for is to be about 30% to win and you could be considerably less than that. Yes you`re getting odds to risk it but by folding there could be 2 players eliminated and you`re closer to the next step up the money ladder.
Far better to wait and push any two against a single opponent where you`re more likely to be at most a 60/40 dog.
RenoPoker
Yes a tough spot to be in for sure.
With that many players in the pot before you, I would assume one has an ace with a better kicker then yours. Very hard to catch up to that.
I would fold and wait for a better hand to play.
SoSoft
based on your feelings about the hand, it would have been a tough call either way for me. Might be more a matter of how I was feeling at the time. LOL ---- You were right in that some of those hands weren't high quality hands.
muratore
CALLING yourself all in - risking your tournament LIFE with such a weak and vulnerable hand as A5o is something that i find it hard to explain why you did..
talking about potodds is just not right..
3 players are already all in before you, the first pusher could have anything.. but still probably something like a pair or an ace, the one pushing after him probably have something like that too, calling takes more than pushing.. the small stack in sb Was commited, as he only had about 1 bb left and would call with any hand.
if you had folded here, you would still have 3-4 bb left and would have been way better off being first in to any pot with any 2 cards in that situation, might even have climbed the payout ladder.. i know that small increase didnt do you much, but the chance to survive in a 4 way pot with such a weak holding as you had is slimmer than a canadian being sponsored by bodog
i mean.. what were you hoping to hit with that hand to win aginast the other 3 player? running 5s? a wheel?
sorry if i am coming on strong on you.. but i think you deserve it in a way..
in tournaments there is a difference in chips eV+ and $ eV+. this was a perfect example of where potodds as a motivation was noooo good when it comes to tournament play, a bit of patience here would and could have paid off great for you in the long run that a tournament is.
well.. thats it from me for now about this.. i probably forgot half of what i meant to say...
PoolDemon
several things went through my head, as explained in the spoiler.
you mention 3-4 BB were left, not so, I would have been the SB next hand, leaving aprox 4K, if I fold the SB then I only have 2 BB's left factoring in the 125 ante, with the BB @ 1600, it would leave no fold equity if I hit a real hand & push, only then get sucked out by a rag hand like i went out with.
I was right on my read about what hands were in the pot, & even though i knew i was behind, if I for a change suck out, I'm right back in the game. Also, the payout structure was FT heavy, so even if I survive a few more hands, I would win not a lot more, roughly a buck more per every 10 spots (@ least for the 30th-50th spots)
So I went againt what I normally would do (insta-fold ace rag) for all the reasons given. Not that it matters, but I did hit my kicker, if an ace hit or another 5 I would have had the best hand for that very large side pot...
Mad4Cards
This is one of those moments I look for in a tourney. I've already made the money but I have to find a spot with a very short stack to take a risk. I'm all in every time in this spot regardless of what 2 cards I'm holding. I know most of you would disagree but right now it's either play safe and win another dollar or go for the final table.
PoolDemon
Mad4Cards wrote:
This is one of those moments I look for in a tourney. I've already made the money but I have to find a spot with a very short stack to take a risk. I'm all in every time in this spot regardless of what 2 cards I'm holding. I know most of you would disagree but right now it's either play safe and win another dollar or go for the final table.
well most did dis-agree with it, but in reallity, the FT is the destination, espercially if you at least are past the bubble, with no major improvement in payout until the FT...
winning percentages were mentioned also, not knowing who holds what, the worst hand 9-7 suited was 25% to win, the best hand 99 was 40%, a 15% difference is actually a heck of a lot closer to a coin toss than "garbage" as this hand has been shown to be...especially knowing the circumstances leading up to that hand (the bubble had just burst...) so we all know most are pushing @ that stage with weak hands...
