Bonanza - Call or Fold 2

harry_lime · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: Bonanza - Call or Fold 2

Bonanza - Call or Fold 2

Hand 2 from yesterdays Bonanza and in this case, was my opponent Laagen (i'm not singling you out mate

) correct to call. What do you think ?

I decide, because of my tournament position, to play a lowish pocket pair which i perhaps wouldn't have done with a bigger chip stack. I'm figuring that Laagen is most probably playing 2 high cards and have decided that if the flop looks good enough, i will check raise as i know Laagen will surely play aggressively here. The flop looks iffy but when Laagen bets, i am sure he doesn't have a king as he is more likely (especially with A K) to check if he had it. So i figure he has missed and is making a continuation bet.

Naturally i would have prefered to take the pot here but was not unhappy to see Laagen's A Q although unfortunately, the river led to my demise.

So a lot of money in the pot and Laagen has me easily covered. He probably knew he was behind at this stage and with 2 cards to come, was he correct to call here ?

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muratore · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject:

why wouldnt he bet if he hit the K?

and yes i think he has to call your push, considering what was already in the pot. if you had pushed flop first to act, i think he would have folded. (unless he had a K of course..

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Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:

thought you would post this hand.

As of my play, the raise with AQ in that position is nothing to talk about, the Cbet on flop is for me nothing wierd as i pretty much bet any flop with any hand even if i had floped a big hand here. Ok i know some flops where i flop quads or a full boat that i could get greedy to check instead of Cbet.
Wouldnt it be wierd if i check after have been Cbet all tournament. Still you and I had not played at the same table for a long time..

The call i think i have to do as there is to much in the pot and i get good potodds(what is that

).

Still a question for you. why did you just flatcall my raise out of position with such a short stack? I for sure didnt put you on a small pair as I thought you would push those kind of hands..

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PoolDemon · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject:

if I'm going to play the hand, I I'd have popped it preflop, you give too much odds for the BB to call as well, 2 vs 1 with a small PP usually doesn't hold up...

1st to act after the flop, is it not better to lead out with a push & take the pot down right there, trapping is nice for flopping a set, otherwise, it's a chance, & what's in the pot easily improves you, especially if it was close to the bubble here.
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Miklosik · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject:

shove or fold pf. If you shove, he's gonna call anyway. You know he will.
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harry_lime · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject:

Laagen13 · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject:

Okey...well still surprised that you so fast pushed with youre stack. but i thought you pretty much had hit the king. But as greenstein says "Ace on the river"
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harry_lime · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject:

DangerMouse · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject:

If Marcus had folded there he`d have deserved lynching. The size of his c-bet commits him to the pot. The re-raise has zero fold equity in this situation but you knew that and knew that most of the time you`re ahead here.

As someone else said the most surprising part of this hand is the pre-flop play. To me that`s a push or fold situation and most of the time it`s a fold. Even though a lot of the time you`re marginally ahead here my first rule of short-stack play applies. . .

Get your money in first and give your opponents the tough decisions whilst you maintain as much fold equity as possible.
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HOUSECATS · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject:

With the pot that size he has to call your push for that small price. If he would of checked then your push would work. But when he c-bet that pretty much made him committed to any play you made.
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Laagen13 · Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject:

Just something i been thinking about. is my Cbet to high, as a 500 bet would be very small for the pot and would get pretty tempted to call there aswell...
any sugestions of a better Cbet?
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