BIL 1.7, from start to finish..

muratore · Last edited by muratore on Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:31 am; edited 1 time in total

Some hands from yesterdays Buy-In League game (BIL) and more or less how i was thinking during the hands.. feel free to comment any of the hands, were they misplayed, should i have played some of them differently? am i just a lucky donk that cant lose a coinflip?

seriously.. dont think i lost a single coinflip yesterday

this thread is probably some what of a shot in the foot.. give you all an idea of my reasoning during a game

anyway.. enjoy my friends, enjoy..

Hand 27: Everyone has folded to missies early pos raise, I decide I want to see a flop and take it from there. I get a little piece of it with my 4, her flop bet is weak.. the check-raise Does make it look stronger but I still put her on a big ace or ppair lower than K, when she check the turn I am even more convinced that’s what she has and a push will most likely take the pot down.

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Hand 32: I got a good feeling here with my 6s.. the min raise preflop doesn’t scare me, missies raise tells me she has a better hand than me but when runny calls her reraise I feel it is worth it to see a flop and if I hit I will most likely win a big pot. Flop Is scary with the flush draw, but I feel I Do have the best hand so I bet out and call her push after runny folded.

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Hand 61: This one is a bit tricky and probably I misplayed it a bit by pushing preflop

the size of the bet and considering who it is, should tell me I am most likely behind here.. I know that if I push I will get a call more often than not, and the only thing I can hope for is she has a lower ace or a ppair TT or lower and I suck out.. so a bit iffy play here and river brings justice to runnys bigger ace and I am short..

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Hand 63: Standard push really.. I only have about 11 bb left and might as well push than getting greedy and invite the blinds cheap, it may also look like a steal and I can get a call from a weaker ace and double up, I am happy if I just win the blinds here.

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Hand 70: Not sure why I only completed the sb and didn’t raise after the weak buttonlimp.. at flop I plan to check raise all in if anyone bets out, it checks around, turn pairs the Q and I bet out, willing to put more chips in the pot with my draw if someone would bite back.

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Hand 81: Getting short again, only 8 bbs, at this time I am in all in or fold mode (aiof) blinds coming in a few hands, I feel this is a good enough hand to steal the blinds, if I get called I still have a decent chance to double up.

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Hand 83: This one just didn’t feel right somehow... most the table left to act, maybe should have pushed here too.. but decided to wait for a better hand and/or position, still in aiof-mode btw.. I die a little inside when I see the flop, but comfort myself that I would probably have lost to a flush anyway

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Hand 89: With only 8bb I am still in aiof-mode, 99 feels good enough to play,. I notice I again am pushing on mads blinds and hope she find cards she can folds, but also know I have a fair chance doubling if I get a call from someone.

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Hand 96: Tried to steal the blinds hand before this one and got raised all in having to fold, for some reason felt this one was gold

and decided I am commited if Ralph pushed… well not really commited but blabla I would most likely call, well.. the donation was successful and all of a sudden I was shorter than I had ever been in this game Doh.. of course I somehow failed to see I only had 3bb more than Ralph..

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Hand 100: I have a good hand, I am willing to put it all at risk here.. I have a feeling that if I just check and then push any flop I will most likely win the hand, if I push pre I will get a call and just the small pot without that call feels ok right now.

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Hand 101: about the same scenario as the previous hand, just that this time I have a little more chips and hope to push someone away… that didn’t work

but at least I was lucky to suck out

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Hand 108: just a min raise from the button, I have to call here, test the waters a bit on the flop ready to fold to a raise. At turn I decide… no one hit the straight but also think runny will bet from button and I check raise according to plan.

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Hand 148: Note what hand I had here

It is hard for me to analyze much of this one as i wasnt involved in the hand. Katy probably tried to be sneaky wanting more value from her kings, question is.. would KN have called a push from katy pre, and how should she have played the hand post flop after she decided to just flat call KN's pre flop raise? can KN fold to a katy push on flop? should she have simply folded here when A comes on flop?

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Hand 168: I was tempted to call this one, I had a feeling what she could have here and push with, it didnt look like a made hand, at best a pair. i also didnt put her on Ah (she would most likely have raised pre with an A) so thinking she had a pair i knew i was a favourite to win the pot with my oe str and "nut" flush draw

Finally decided it was too early in the game not to gamble half my stack on a 60/40 (even better if she had lower pair than K

) if she had flopped a lower flush it was only something of a 33% chance to win.

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Hand 179: In a good run of cards now, I have raised a few hands before this with the same amount (2,5bb) and got a few blind steals. HC in bb calls, I hit my set.. knowing that he probably hit nothing here.. and a check would be out of character for me

so do a small bet hoping he reads it as weak and comes over the top.. HC folds

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Hand 184: Same thing here as in the previous hand, I have been raising some hands, I know harry knows that, I feel he is able to do some kind of move here.. so I raise the same amount again hoping for him to do something, he push

I insta call and lose on the river

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Hand 198: I have been folding most hands since harrys suck out, now get a good hand in the blinds, I will most likely get called if I push mads raise.. but I feel I am good here.. she flops me and I am lucky to hit set on turn phew

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Hand 212: Not much to say here.. standard raise, HC in bb call, probably thinks I have missed the flop and if I call he still has a good chance with overcards and nut flush draw, I got nothing and fold.

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Hand 222: Again not much to say here.. I am just desperately hoping he doesn’t have aces here

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Hand 233: KN moves all in from UTG, I know harry has to call, think for a while if even I have to call this one.. I know that harry wont bluff in this pot during an all in and I am most likely to get to see all 5 cards, finally decide to fold. Don’t want to give KN a chance to triple.. of course I would have rivered him

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Hand 241: Decent hand, want to steal some blinds

after harry raise and KN push, easy fold

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Hand 247: I have a good hand but not That good, probably should have done more than just called HCs push here, to get harry out of the pot, no?

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Hand 253: I have played the last 150 hands pretty well.. not had a lot of tough decisions.. going in to HU and I just stop thinking … raise to small pre flop? Whyyyy do I check that flop.. if I bet on the flop and harry pushes, do I have to call anyway or can I get away then? Horribly played anyways

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Hand 263: overplayed KQ? Raise more pre? Maybe even push? Just call pre? Fold?

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harry_lime · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

interesting viewing mura and i think you vary your game enough not to worry about giving to much away.

just to comment on the final hand. for me the re-raise was too much if anything (and this was very much in the context of the way our heads up was going) and made me feel certain i was ahead pre-flop. my minimum raise is screaming biggish hand and with the way our heads up had gone, when you re-raised half your stack i was pretty sure you were playing a picture card or something suited and given my hand, it was a simple choice. fold or over the top.

as i figured i had the best of it and had you covered, in the chips went. had already lost one 64/40 when ahead in a similar situation during our heads up but was happy to see this one stand up.

you called the all-in very quickly, was your call :
1, out of frustration or
2, did you think you were ahead or
3, figured you were behind but just commited at that stage
4, none of the above (answers on a postcard please)
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Know-nuffin · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject:

Wow

Really great work mura... must have taken you an age to bring all this together. It will take any of us a while to study this lot.

One that stands out on first view is an example of the delicate balance required in playing big pocket pairs.

HC made the call (I'd guess) at your admitted number of previous pre-flop raises combined with his healthy chip stack and his pocket cards. The Ace on the rainbow flop must have given you plenty of confidence one on one.

I wonder; if there had been two suited would you still have made the 2x bet or have tried to take the hand early.

Hand 179: In a good run of cards now, I have raised a few hands before this with the same amount (2,5bb) and got a few blind steals. HC in bb calls, I hit my set.. knowing that he probably hit nothing here.. and a check would be out of character for me so do a small bet hoping he reads it as weak and comes over the top.. HC folds

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I remember Katymaty with KK in the BB didn't re-raise my 3x from the cut off holding a big Ace. The Ace on the flop proved curtains for her. (sorry didn't save the history)
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muratore · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:

muratore · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject:

muratore · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:

feel free everyone to jump in on any of the hands posted above and comment and/or criticize

here are some hands that i would like some feedback on:

Hand 100 better to push pre?

Hand 101 push to drive someone out or just check for the free flop? what do i do on flop if i just check pre?

Hand 179 on flop, raise more to make it look like a steal? check and let him catch something on the coming streets?

Hand 198 easy push or better to fold here and wait to be first to act later?

Hand 233 call/fold?

Hand 247 call/raise/push, if i call and harry put me all in, call/fold?

Hand 253 too small raise pre? how much to raise on flop, fold to raise?
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muratore · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:35 am Post subject:

Know-nuffin · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:22 am Post subject:

Thanks for digging that out mura,

muratore · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:43 am Post subject:

Know-nuffin · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:50 am Post subject:

Know-nuffin · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:48 am Post subject:

harry_lime · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject:

Know-nuffin · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject:

Fair points harry, I do see your point of view and I'm not saying I'm in favour of the call either. However I will challange you saying a flat call in that situation will not give you any information.

As you have said; - Runny is not the type to make pre-flop raises without a strong hand ~ So you already have some information.

A reraise of any type will pretty much be all-in or fold for Runny.

Was still a big call for her to make.

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Mrs know-nuffin · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

Sorry I haven't jumped in here Mura, but there is a lot to read and take in.

Hand 27: Everyone has folded to missies early pos raise, I decide I want to see a flop and take it from there. I get a little piece of it with my 4, her flop bet is weak.. the check-raise Does make it look stronger but I still put her on a big ace or ppair lower than K, when she check the turn I am even more convinced that’s what she has and a push will most likely take the pot down.

Hmmmm, not sure how you can see that a post flop re-raise by me means that your bottom pair is worth going all-in on after the turn.

An interesting hand.....thanks for the info

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muratore · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:

muratore · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:

Miklosik · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

Hand 247 - I don't think Harry would put you allin. One too many ppl in the hand.
Now let me read some more.
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harry_lime · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject:

Miklosik · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject:

Hand 198 - I think Mad was thinking first to act - first to bluff and maybe steal the pot. Good thing you pushed or you would have folded post flop.
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muratore · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am Post subject:

Laagen13 · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject:

Hand 32: preflop is all good, still the "donkbet" on flop i disslike. As you think she has a better hand then you there are alot of high pocket pairs in that range. Better off with a check/raise all in.
Hand 81: this is one of those spots i like to push in. UTG push with around 10bb makes it harder for people to call you.
Hand 83: less then 10bb's i think you most shove here. as you did in the KQ hand.
Hand 96: in generall i think its better to push with 12bbs then just raise a small amount of youre stack as you would have to call a large amount of the times.
Hand 108: A10s 7handed vs BUTTON minraise. if you do not have a good read says "tight player, raises only good hands" I would push my 10bb's here. as of the minraise could also be a blindsteal attempt.
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muratore · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject:

yaaay my favourite thread brought to life again

after reading it again i notice there are some changes in the way i play today compared to back then..

ill try to answer the comments as good as i can, with a mix of last years and this yars muratore..

Laagen13 · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject:

muratore · Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject:

yep.. thats what i said in my reply,
"and with that in mind i obv should have folded the hand to the preflop raise"

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